300 BB is a joke.

[RPatterson]

Is this something S&M push? In my mind screw that! I only need about 30 BB and if I somehow lose that then it's because I suck and can't play at that limit!

Who needs 300 bb? If you lose 300 bb maybe you should have realized you suck around the 150 bb zone and dropped down! 300 bb is like training wheels on a motorcycle or something, if your going to drive then drive!

[jasonHoldEm]

You are incredibly talented if your total variance is less than 30 BB's. I am impressed by your ability. I've had bigger swings than 30 BB's in five minutes. Please, explain your secret, obviously I'm missing something here.

Thanks,
J

[Alobar]

[ QUOTE ]
Is this something S&M push? In my mind screw that! I only need about 30 BB and if I somehow lose that then it's because I suck and can't play at that limit!

Who needs 300 bb? If you lose 300 bb maybe you should have realized you suck around the 150 bb zone and dropped down! 300 bb is like training wheels on a motorcycle or something, if your going to drive then drive!

[/ QUOTE ]

The reason you have 300BB is so that when you go on a 150BB slide (and I don't care how good you are, it will happen), you still have a bankroll and you can drop down a limit and build it back up.

30BB is a joke. And losing that doesnt mean you suck.

[RPatterson]

I can't explain it, it's something your born with my friend.

[1800GAMBLER]

You're a poker player so you'll like betting too. I'm offering you are bet. Even money. Which do you think is most likely:

1. You're right and everyone else is wrong.

2. You're a running good idiot and everyone else is right?

[Alobar]

[ QUOTE ]
You're a poker player so you'll like betting too. I'm offering you are bet. Even money. Which do you think is most likely:

1. You're right and everyone else is wrong.

2. You're a running good idiot and everyone else is right?

[/ QUOTE ]

If you took out "running" and "good" from option 2, I'd put my money on that one

[Tosh]

I dream about being as good as you. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[RPatterson]

Everyone else is weak. Daniel Negreanu agrees with me by the way.

[1800GAMBLER]

Link Please!

[RPatterson]

On the united poker forum I read a post of his saying that 300 bb was ridiculous and when he was coming up he would play with whatever he had and if he won he'd just move right up in limits.

[1800GAMBLER]

and he also says in The Women that Broke Me how many times he used to go broke when he was younger and then took a stake and played 60 hours/week to pay it back.

[RPatterson]

Negreanu is a real man.

[Tosh]

How long before he gets bored/grows up and leaves?

[bicyclekick]

Why do you guys even waste time with this punk.

Obvoiusly 30bb is too small. Anyone who plays a lot of poker knows this. He's more likely just trying to start a flame war. If he really thinks this, let him. He'll sit in a game that he's not bankrolled for and lose it. Let the poor guy.

[MicroBob]

so the reason you shouldn't have 300BB in your roll is because 'going broke' with a smaller roll proves that you are a real man??


huh??


btw....no matter how much i regularly win....i think i have a 50BB down-swing at some point almost every single week. it might be AFTER i have already won 200BB...but it is still a negative 50BB run.

i don't have a 100BB down-turn every single week...but they are frequent enough that they don't exactly surprise me either.


the only way to avoid swings of this magnitude is to play in such a weak-tight matter that you are adversely effecting your win-rate.
you can be a consistent winner (or at least break-even) but you certainly won't win as much in the long-run.


in other words, i am going to continue to value raise-away with my top-pair even though it means the 85o guy might chase me down for 2-pair on the river.
if you can somehow manipulate the river so that the idiot-maniacs never suck out on you then you are truly a better player than the rest of us here.

congratulations.

now go away.

[1800GAMBLER]

I'll set the under/over line at 30bbs.

[RPatterson]

What's not to get?

[playemlikeAA]

ok... on a different note... I am not new to poker but i am new to this forum and online poker... could someone explain the 30 vs 300bbs terminology?

[Tosh]

BB means big bet.

[1800GAMBLER]

The most i hear 30 big bets quoted is an amount to sit down at one session with. 300 big bets (i.e. $600 if you play 1/2) is the bankroll you should have. So Chan at 2000-4000 should have a $1.2m bankroll and will sit down with $12k.

[RPatterson]

You don't need a 600 dollar bankroll to play l/2. Total bullshit. If you lose 600 dollars at 1/2 then it's because you suck, not a bad run.

[skunkworks]

Variance increases as aggression increases. 300 BB is a general recommendation, but some posters that play in the higher shorthanded limits don't even start to feel comfortable with less than 600 BB.

Given that you don't play at high limits, you probably won't need 300 BB.

<font color="white"> Given that you're a snippy smartass who doesn't seem to listen very well, I'd say that the future prospects of you playing in higher-limit aggressive games seems dim. Welcome to the world of bottom-feeding poker sharks. </font>

[WarmonkEd]

[ QUOTE ]
You don't need a 600 dollar bankroll to play l/2. Total bullshit. If you lose 600 dollars at 1/2 then it's because you suck, not a bad run.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think that's the point. the 300BB is for the long haul.

[Ash, Housewares]

"Are all men from the future loud-mouthed braggarts?"

"Nope, just me baby.... just me."

[NLfool]

I think everyone is slightly on the extreme of course 300 bb is a lot and 30 is way to small especially if you are going to make thin vale bets at 1/2. 150 is probably most doable

[RPatterson]

Being a smart ass and not blindly following what others say are prerequisites to becoming a high-limit shark.

[Spyder]

Heh...I can lose 30bb in one hand in NL in a heartbeat. In limit, you can lose up to 12bb in a hand...you never lose 3 big hands in a row?

Check your math, Patterson.

Spyder

[joedot]

you're right. anyone losing 300bb is playing too loose.

[twang]

[ QUOTE ]
Posted by RPatterson 05/28/04 12:25 AM:

I am estimating I lose probably about 35% of my sessions, at least. And most of the time it seems like the Gods conspired against me and no one in the world could win in my situation. Does this sound about right to most of you?

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[ QUOTE ]
Posted by RPaterson 05/31/04 08:05 PM

I only need about 30 BB and if I somehow lose that then it's because I suck and can't play at that limit!

Who needs 300 bb?

[/ QUOTE ]



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[AviD]

Either you play about 1 hand every 6 hours and have won 90% of those hands, or haven't played enough poker to qualify such a statement as a 300BB bankroll requirement is a joke.

If you aren't taking or haven't taken more than 30BB swings (at any time) in your poker career...I'd venture to say you aren't playing good poker.

Either that or you should consider immediately investing at least 1BB of your poker winnings in a lottery ticket because you probably have an excellent chance of winning...afterall some people are just born with it.

[AviD]

OK, even David says he expects to lose 1 out of 3 sessions.

I'm convinced RPatterson is the god of all poker because apparently losing 35% of his sessions is running REALLY, REALLY bad! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

I wonder how many hands he has played and how many he averages per session? All a moot point anyway, sessioning and such. I haven't won or lost, my session is still going! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[astroglide]

your mother is a joke

[sthief09]

and you are a real douchebag

[sthief09]

[ QUOTE ]
Being a smart ass and not blindly following what others say are prerequisites to becoming a high-limit shark.

[/ QUOTE ]


so is calling the advice of your superiors a joke, and thinking that you know everything.

I can't wait for your "poker is rigged" thread when you fall down to earth

[Homer]

Play online for a while, compile your stats with Poker Tracker and post your EV and SD here. You'll find that in order to have an ROR of 1% or so, you will need ~300 BB's.

-- Homer