This puts an end to Pro's vs the Field debate...

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Pokervoice has posted some mini bios on the final nine.
Basically:

6 have previous WSOP experience
5 have cashed at the WSOP
3 have WSOP bracelets
1 WSOP Champion

[Blindfolk]

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Pokervoice has posted some mini bios on the final nine.
Basically:

6 have previous WSOP experience
5 have cashed at the WSOP
3 have WSOP bracelets
1 WSOP Champion

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To pros like Annie Duke, you can't be good unless you're a pro that travels to tournaments around the world. I think a lot of pros are stuck in the mindset that you have to travel and play in large tournaments to be considered good.

[David Steele]

I am not sure which way you are arguing by:

6 have previous WSOP experience
5 have cashed at the WSOP
3 have WSOP bracelets
1 WSOP Champion


Did you mean:
3 have never even been to the WSOP before.
4 have never cashed ( finished in the top 50 or so in one of the 30 or so tournaments each year)
6 have never won any kind of WSOP bracelet.
Only 1 champion managed to make it to the final table.

D.

BTW who has the bracelets?

[Paluka]

Don't forget that two of them have won major Magic: the Gathering tourneys.

[Ulysses]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it's pretty clear he's pointing out that skill/experience plays a HUGE part in this tournament.

66% Prev WSOP exp. (1700)
55% WSOP cashes (1416)
33% bracelet (850)
11% championship (283)

The numbers in parentheses are how many people would have to satisfy that criteria in the starting field (2576) for the final table numbers to be representative of the field at large.

[Ulysses]

Also, does anyone know what % of them are Internet porn stars?

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Exactly my point, nice way to put it Ulysses. Another interesting point, from the bios, 6 of them claim to be poker pro's (and Raymer isn't one of those six).

[JalKelly]

i am a poker pro, i win all of my beer money for the week in a 5 dollar buy in that i have at my house every wednesday night.

[BabyJesus]

Who else has? I kinda know david williams as a magic player. Does mattias anderson also play? Name kinda sounds familiar. I'm assuming you're the meddling mage.

This begins the era where no longer poker pros are previous backgamman players they will be previous magic pros.

[DougBrennan]

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This begins the era where no longer poker pros are previous backgamman players they will be previous magic pros

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Would someone, anyone, be kind enough to provide a brief explanation of Magic? I had never heard of it before coming to this site, and other than presuming it is some sort of game (card game?) I know nothing about it.

Thanks,
Doug

[Clarkmeister]

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Don't forget that two of them have won major Magic: the Gathering tourneys.

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Wasn't the technical term "wizard nerds"? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Paluka]

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This begins the era where no longer poker pros are previous backgamman players they will be previous magic pros

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Would someone, anyone, be kind enough to provide a brief explanation of Magic? I had never heard of it before coming to this site, and other than presuming it is some sort of game (card game?) I know nothing about it.

Thanks,
Doug

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Magic: The Gathering is very complex, competitive strategic card game produced by Wizards of the Coast. David Williams and Mattias Andersson were both successful Magic players. The Magic Pro Tour has 5 or 6 tourneys a year with first place usually being somewhere around $30,000.

[DougBrennan]

Thanks, Paluka.

It's always sounded sort of Dungeons and Drangons-ish to me. (Not that I've ever played that either.) Is there some sort of fantasy component?

Doug

[Sponger15SB]

i was a pro MTG player once, when i was 12 i won $80 in a local comic book card shop tourney. take that bitches.

[ArchAngel71857]

Also, does anyone know what % of them are Internet porn stars?

Would you just go by a copy of Swank already?

-AA

[Paluka]

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Thanks, Paluka.

It's always sounded sort of Dungeons and Drangons-ish to me. (Not that I've ever played that either.) Is there some sort of fantasy component?

Doug

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It has a fantasy theme, much in the same way poker and chess has Kings and Queens.

[gisborne]

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It has a fantasy theme, much in the same way poker and chess has Kings and Queens.

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Don't try to downplay the fantasy theme. It's ALL fantasy, complete with little fantasy quotes and artwork on the cards. The "pro" circuit is nothing more than a way for Wizards of the Coast to market the game to hardcore players (ie people who spend $1000's of dollars on the cards).

That said, it can be a pretty fun game. I played it for the first 1-2 years after it came out then quit after it became obvious that any real chance to win meant you had to spend serious money on cards. I played a few comic-shop tourneys within the last year which were a fun diversion for a few hours.

[BabyJesus]

I haven't bought a card or back in many years, excluding online. We have a group of friends here in Vegas that play and we just pool all our cards together. When you win tournaments you get product, hence if you win a lot you win a lot of product. You do have to spend money to enter the tournament of course. But, i haven't bought cards in a very long time. That statement is false, its exactly the opposite if you're good you DON'T have to buy cards.

[astroglide]

i don't know of anybody that treats it other than a strategy game. the artwork is just artwork, and it's nice, but nobody pretends they're a magician or whatever while they're playing.

[M2d]

U,
you really want the scoop on Belladonna, huh?

[BabyJesus]

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i don't know of anybody that treats it other than a strategy game. the artwork is just artwork, and it's nice, but nobody pretends they're a magician or whatever while they're playing.

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Oh theres a few.... They're the smelly ones giving magic a bad name.