Party is rigged

[twolf]

Some person in EP called Button raised, I was BB with KK and i went all in and both called community looked like this
J A 2 Q 2

EP had KT for a straight and Button had 72o, now I know they reward aggressors, because I made a 3rd best hand, with KINGS. I was like OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG. So I urge everybody stay away from Party, please do it has to be rigged. You will all lose your money.




This has to be the absolute best evidence that Party Poker is rigged.

So who's with me?

[Lori]

So who's with me?

Please read Count Duckula's post in reply to the last person who had their first ever poker bad beat.

It sums up perfectly what you are experiencing.

If you cant find that post, I'd recommend buying a good log 8 pattern mapper from ebay and going back in there and beating the guys at their own game.

Lori

[twolf]

But he had 72o!!!!!!! Did you read that part, and if it weren't for the other moron he would have won, do you understand this. Are you convinced yet?

[jdl22]

I was, like, Oh my GAWD!

that would work a lot better if falsetto were doable in text.

[jdl22]

Almost a quarter of the time you lose there:
Kd Kh 1051776 76.73 302477 22.07 16501 1.20 0.773
Ts Kc 138055 10.07 1216198 88.72 16501 1.20 0.106
2c 7d 164422 12.00 1202466 87.72 3866 0.28 0.121

Notice that the guy with 27o actually had a better chance of beating you than the KTo guy.

You have 1 trial. If you had played this exact hand a thousand times and lost it half the time or more then maybe we would listen. You are going to lose in this scenario about a quarter of the time you have the KK. Note that .7673 < 1. You seem to think that they are equal.

[twolf]

that doesn't explain the time i lost aa to qq. It's rigged I tell you. Do not play ever!!!!!!!!!1

[RED_RAIN]

Once you lost pocket pair with quads to larger quads then come and whine. By then hopefully you'll learn these things happen. But if you don't want to play, guess you like leaving easy money.

[twolf]

I've had that happen more than ten times at Party, All in with 55 on a J55 flop and guess what happened, it's rigged I tell you, RIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGED.

[Lori]

All in with 55 on a J55 flop and guess what happened,

Another 5 came?

Nice try, had me going for a while.

Lori

[twolf]

Lori,

You're not very good at this guessing stuff, another Jack came and when I saw the 941.11 pot go to this clown I almost died, I mean he called an all in with jacks on a J55 community...sigh PARTY IS RIGGED!!!!11111!!!!1!1!

[_2000Flushes]

Last night some guy at Party flopped the river to beat my pocket quads. Mike Sexton then called me to confirm that the hand was orchestrated, but he still thought it was a virtual coin flip.

-2kF

[Baulucky]

72o dominates KK preflop. You were a big underdog from the start. 72o had the best hand from the start, but got unlucky.

[RED_RAIN]

[ QUOTE ]
Lori,

You're not very good at this guessing stuff, another Jack came and when I saw the 941.11 pot go to this clown I almost died, I mean he called an all in with jacks on a J55 community...sigh PARTY IS RIGGED!!!!11111!!!!1!1!

[/ QUOTE ]

Okay I didn't have much respect for you in your first post, now I have no respect. Are you saying it's bad to call flopped the nuts full house on this flop?

[twolf]

Yes I am and he only had the second nuts that turned(or rivered) into the stone cold nuts.

[twolf]

Is it true that the only reason Party poker gets so many accusations (spelling)is because of the terrible players and the way they chase(see my one outer loss) and why UB has such a good upstanding with the public, because UB players are smarter. Would this be accurate? In which case why does UB even have people that play there if everybody is so damn good.

[Lazymeatball]

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[ArchAngel71857]

I mean he called an all in with jacks on a J55 community...sigh PARTY IS RIGGED!!!!11111!!!!1!1!

If you think this is a bad play, then PM me your party screenname and I will come watch you play and see if Party is rigged.

-AA

[CountDuckula]

[ QUOTE ]
But he had 72o!!!!!!! Did you read that part, and if it weren't for the other moron he would have won, do you understand this. Are you convinced yet?

[/ QUOTE ]

If this hand constitutes evidence Party is rigged, then I would have to say the Borgata in Atlantic City is rigged, too. Last Sunday, I had AKo there, and raised pre-flop, getting 4 callers. The flop came down A3x rainbow, and I raised again. Turn was a blank, and I raised again. It was heads-up on the river. River was a 3. The lone caller turned up 63s. I was ahead of her the whole freaking way, and she stubbornly hung in until she rivered her trip 3s. Obviously, the dealer had been instructed to make sure that my flopped TPTK was punished by her piece of crap.

-Mike

P.S. - The post Lori was referring to is here (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=inet&Number=699597&Forum=, All_Forums,&Words=&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=6982 84&Search=true&where=&Name=6348&daterange=&newerva l=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post6 99597).

[CountDuckula]

[ QUOTE ]
Lori,

You're not very good at this guessing stuff, another Jack came and when I saw the 941.11 pot go to this clown I almost died, I mean he called an all in with jacks on a J55 community...sigh PARTY IS RIGGED!!!!11111!!!!1!1!

[/ QUOTE ]

Of course he called all in with jacks on a J55 flop! Wouldn't you?!? Flopping a full house right off the bat? How could he possibly put you on 55?

[Edit: Ok, if you went all in on the flop, 55 is a hand he should be thinking about. But given the level of play at Party, it could just as easily be a lone 5 or a J5, or even Jx. The odds are against you having the only possible hand that could beat him on the flop, so his call is reasonable.]

-Mike

[AA suited]

i had full house aces and lost (again) to a straight flush. ARRG!

but on the other hand i've had 72o in the blind and flopped full houses or better.

so it does go either way. but i;ve seen WAAAAAAY too many peoiple catch miracles on the river in internet poker compared to the vegas casinos

[Simon Diamond]

I was like OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG.

Get a life fool.

Simon

[CountDuckula]

[ QUOTE ]
i had full house aces and lost (again) to a straight flush. ARRG!

but on the other hand i've had 72o in the blind and flopped full houses or better.

so it does go either way. but i;ve seen WAAAAAAY too many peoiple catch miracles on the river in internet poker compared to the vegas casinos

[/ QUOTE ]

It may look like more, because you probably have more opportunities to play online than in Vegas (unless you live there) and because you get to play about twice as many hands per hour online as you do at a live table (or even more if you multi-table), but it's probably about the same. As I mentioned in one of my earlier posts, I had a particularly painful beat at the Borgata on Sunday, but I also had a terrible session overall (dropping $76 at 2-4, over the course of about 2.5 hours). There were usually 5+ people seeing the flop, and it seemed as if no matter how good a hand I had, someone else would river what they needed to beat me. Oh, I won some hands here and there, but overall, I was getting my butt kicked. I thought I was playing reasonably well, but I just kept ending up with 2nd-best hands. I've had better success online over the past week, taking a $20 bonus (no deposit required; I just had to play 200 raked hands to clear it) and turning it into over $70 so far. I don't believe my hand selection or aggressiveness was appreciably different online vs. live; I just had better luck online than I did live this time around.

One thing that a lot of "online poker is rigged" fans forget is that there are millions of hands being played every day on these sites. The hands that get noticed tend to be the unusual ones, especially the one-outer bad beats. The reason you hear about the bad beats is that people who are on the wrong end of them have motivation to come here and complain. When someone's AA holds up, they happily drag the pot, and don't bother to say anything about it! They have little reason to, other than maybe to brag a bit. But when that same AA falls to someone who called them down with crap, and rivered trips on them, then the motivation is there to whine about it, and think that something is seriously wrong. Bad beats happen, and behind almost every bad beat is a bad play on someone's part (usually the person who benefitted from it). When 72o beats AA, it means that the person holding the 72o had no business being in the pot, if the AA played correctly. Even if Mr. 72o was in the blind, if AA raised as he/she should have, 72o should have folded (if not, 72o will lose much more money than it will win). If AA didn't raise, they only have themselves to blame when the flop comes up 772.

-Mike

[ArchAngel71857]

Thank you for writing this post.

This will be the Official Explanation of More Hands Per Hour.


And will be referenced a lot.

-AA

[jdl22]

Actually I reread your posts and it's pretty clear you were up against guys with pattern maps.

The guy with 27o apparently has an old log 6 so he didn't realise he was against the straight, just that the two deuces would come off. The KT guy apparently has one that is more up to date.

As they say "he who has the best pattern map wins"

[jwvdcw]

I'm amazed at the inabillity of this board to tell when people are joking around and when they are serious. See my 'terrible bad beat' posts in the single table and multi table forums for more examples of this phenomenon.

[CountDuckula]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm amazed at the inabillity of this board to tell when people are joking around and when they are serious. See my 'terrible bad beat' posts in the single table and multi table forums for more examples of this phenomenon.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, I think anyone who jokes around about this is being very irresponsible. There are plenty of lurkers and newbies who honestly believe that online poker is rigged, and who will swallow stories intended as jokes hook, line and sinker. I think those of us who have a sufficient grasp of the concepts of probability to understand why bad beats happen, have a responsibility to try to explain it. Those who have such a weak grasp of probability as to believe that bad beat stories "prove" that rigging is going on are precisely the ones we want to keep playing; if they give up and go away, the ratio of fish to good players will go down. We don't want that, do we?

I'm willing to spend time setting people straight here, even if it tends to make them better players, because that way, they don't go around scaring away the fish who don't come here and work on their games. And if a troll gets me now and then, c'est la vie.

-Mike

[GrannyMae]

http://pix2.hotornot.com/pics/HL/HR/NY/NM/OQNUASEJVTKG.JPG

ohh, THAT's hotttttt..

http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/obscene/eck26.gif

[_2000Flushes]

A survey of 139 people finds this man to be hotter than 57% of all other men.

-2kF

[ArchAngel71857]

Yes but do you have the honor of a hot girl saying she wants to meet you too, only to have her delete it 10 minutes later?

-AA

[_2000Flushes]

It was ten hours, alright?

And there's no way she wasn't over 18.

-2kF

[GrannyMae]

A survey of 139 people finds this man to be hotter than 57% of all other men.


surveys conducted in a methadone clinic are of little scientific value.

http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/obscene/eck32.gif

[_2000Flushes]

[ QUOTE ]
A survey of 139 people finds this man to be hotter than 57% of all other men.


surveys conducted in a methadone clinic are of little scientific value.


[/ QUOTE ]

No, no, no. Wrong survey. The one in the methadone clinic concluded that he was 57% hotter than all other men. Subtle difference, but certainly worth noting.

-2kF

[Sponger15SB]

my friend used to go all in preflop with 72o every once in a while and show it, just to make people think he is nuts. he did this on a party $50 NL table, with about a $70 stack, someone who had him well covered called with AK, two 7's hit the board and my friend said 1) it was the funniest thing ever, he fell out of his chair onto the floor because he was laughing so hard 2) he has never seen someone so pissed off before in their entire lives as evidence the the incredible ammount of swearing the guy was writing.


trust me, crazier things have happen, so your pocket kings lose.

i just saw a guy on a pokerstars tourney bust out of a tourney with AA vs. TT, T came on the flop, the guy who won the hand "raymer" or something, he is such a fish.