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joker122

05-28-2004, 12:54 AM

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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players) 
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, BB raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players) 
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, BB raises, MP1 calls $8 (All-In), MP2 folds, Hero folds.

River: (15.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in) 

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

Results in white below: 
BB shows Qh Qd (two pair, queens and eights).
MP1 shows Ts Jc (one pair, eights).
Outcome: BB wins 15.25 BB. 

I want to puke.

DaveFoldsFive

05-28-2004, 01:00 AM

I haven't read the results yet, but I'm calling the raise and check calling the river (unless, of course the Ace or 8 comes). I've been raised many times on the turn by a frisky fish when the mid-flop card pairs, only to find out he has an unimproved Ax or some other garbage.

This is especially true because you just became heads up.

Joe826

05-28-2004, 01:06 AM

Man there is NO worse feeling then that. That's a really tough hand, I may have made the same mistake. Check out this hand though, this happened a couple months back and it's pretty badly misplayed, but I seriously wanted to throw up after it:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif. CO posts a blind of $3.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO (poster) checks, Hero calls, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players) 
BB bets, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO raises, Hero calls, BB calls, MP1 3-bets, CO calls, Hero caps, BB calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (10.66 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players) 
BB checks, MP1 bets, CO raises, Hero calls, BB folds, MP1 3-bets, CO calls, Hero calls.

River: (19.66 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players) 
MP1 bets, CO calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 21.66 BB
Main Pot: 21.66 BB, between MP1 and CO. > Pot won by CO (21.66 BB).

Results in white below: 
MP1 shows 7c Qc (one pair, queens).
CO shows Qs Th (two pair, queens and tens).
Outcome: CO wins 21.66 BB.

joker122

05-28-2004, 02:10 AM

n/m

Alobar

05-28-2004, 02:22 AM

wow, that could quite possibly be the worse fold I've ever seen....that sucks man, that would have put me on tilt for the rest of the night

Alobar

05-28-2004, 02:26 AM

I would call this one down, even if he has an 8 you have the odds to call his raise. the only hands he could have that you dont have the odds to call with are 44 99 88 and 98. Alot of times tho he will just be holding A9 or some other hand with a 9 and he knows you dont have an 8 so he thinks his hand is still good and knows he will scare you. He could also have some form of draw and be bluffing on the scare card. So its a pretty easy call here on the turn, and then on the river as well.

Joe826

05-28-2004, 02:29 AM

no kidding dude, i think i quit after that hand due to physical illness. no need to let me know it was a bad fold though, i literally woke up thinking about it and went over it of tons times. you have any hands like that?

Alobar

05-28-2004, 02:42 AM

oh yeah. I think its a phase we all go through. When I first really started learning I tired to make those "real good laydowns". Then I learned the signifigance of pot odds and just how much 1 bad fold would cost me. (heh, do a search for the "fur coat dilema").

lol, the worst fold I ever made tho was cuz I was a complete newbie idiot.

I had a small set (I think it was 6s) and the board paired Jacks on the turn and I folded because it was obvious someone had the jack, and I knew I was beat, cuz his 3 jacks would beat my 3 6s /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Alobar

05-28-2004, 02:49 AM

http://slicer.headsupclub.com:3455/16/31

I did the search for it, and figured I'd paste the link

joker122

05-28-2004, 02:50 AM

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would call this one down, even if he has an 8 you have the odds to call his raise.

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I sure don't. I'm getting 8.1:1 on my turn call and I'm like a 23:1 dog to hit an ace.

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the only hands he could have that you dont have the odds to call with are 44 99 88 and 98.

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Well, yeah, I'm drawing dead to 88, but how are 44, 99, and 89 any different than a naked 8?

joker122

05-28-2004, 02:53 AM

Holy [censored], that sounds like fun!

Alobar

05-28-2004, 02:59 AM

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would call this one down, even if he has an 8 you have the odds to call his raise.

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I sure don't. I'm getting 8.1:1 on my turn call and I'm like a 23:1 dog to hit an ace.

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the only hands he could have that you dont have the odds to call with are 44 99 88 and 98.

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Well, yeah, I'm drawing dead to 88, but how are 44, 99, and 89 any different than a naked 8?

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bleh, I need to go to bed...my thinking is all jumbled. yeah, you need to hit an Ace to beat someone holding an 8.

You arn't 8-1 tho. There is 15 BB in the pot when it comes back to you to call his turn raise. Either way I'm still an idiot.

oh yeah....I still call this one down tho.

joker122

05-28-2004, 03:01 AM

oops, your right. I was getting SBs confused with BBs.

Joe826

05-28-2004, 03:04 AM

LMAO, that Izmet guy put it nicely. Anyways, I actually did exactly what you were talking about my first time playing live (it was 4/8, but played like the .50/1 game I usually played online). I hit a set of 5's, an A came on the turn giving me a full house, and I not only mucked my hand when a 4th diamond came on the river, but I mucked it face up, and got lectured by the entire table (probably good for me though). Anyways sorry to hijack the thread joker /images/graemlins/ooo.gif.

DaveFoldsFive

05-28-2004, 03:19 AM

That's the worst, when it's at a live table. My first time sitting down at a casino, I got AKs dealt to me on my third hand. Of course, the flop is AAK. I assume I should be tricky and check it through. The turn comes, and I figure someone's gotta bet, so I check again, it goes through. Finally, on the river, I'm about to bet double the big blind (it's that kind of game), and I accidentally tap the table while I'm reaching for my chips. The dealer moves right on without me.

I almost mucked the hand to save from the embarassment.