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JAque
05-25-2004, 12:24 AM
Hi:

I don't use pokertracker. I am worry that I have a a leak in my game where I tend to call with Big pairs on the turn or river when most likely I am beat already (by 2 pairs or a set). My oponent may already have 3-bet or cap the flop and keeps firing at the pot. Another situtation is where after a 3-bet on the flop, he check raises me on turn, he bets the river and I call with AA, KK losing to 2 pairs or set. I think the the pot is big enough to call, however my undocumented records of these hands may indicate that I am losing money by not giving up these big pairs to a certain players.



Is there a way to track this information on the long run without looking at each hand individually?

lowroller
05-31-2004, 05:06 PM
I too, would like to know how to use PT a little more in depth. I have just purchased it, and after hearing on these boards what a great tool it is, I haven't been able to use it for much more than to track my BB/hr. Part of this is that I am fairly new to poker, and I don't know what other info I should be looking at.

Is there any resource from PT or anywhere on 2+2 that will show you *how to use* the more detailed information to improve your game?

Mike Haven
05-31-2004, 05:39 PM
MS Sunshine is our resident expert. Try to search for some of his posts.

Here is one I saved:

There is so much use you can get out of www.PokerTracker.com (http://www.PokerTracker.com) that you shouldn't just "toss" the hands in. I can tell you are trying to get the most out of it by looking for problems in your game first. Trust me they are there. For all of us. I use PokerTracker primary for the notes on players. After about 5 weeks I have about a 1000 cash game players, at least 50 hands, with really good notes. There are about 1700 other players with less than 50 hands. About 500 hand manual notes. The tournament players, 1100, are judged on whatever hands are available. These leaves me with about 2700 notes in PokerTracker, but I have about 2000 more on players not seen in the last five weeks which are unlikely to be active anymore. Below is an old post.

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As to what notes I want to see when scouting a table:

Preflop starting hand range and their playing style.

For ring games:

very tight(under 15%sf)
tight(16-21%sf)
med tight(22-26%)
med loose(27-33%)
loose(34-50%)
very loose(over 50%)
nutball(with the exact% in note)

very passive(never raises preflop)
passive(<3%pfr)
med ag(3-6%)
ag(7-10%)
very ag(11-15%)
above 15% I write very ag with %

Blind steal and Defense:

No steal(0% from CO and button)
low steal(under 20%)
avg steal(which I consider to be around 30% not taking blinds tightness into account is 20-35%)
High steal(40-55%)
Always steals(you get the idea)

I consider average BB defense to be a little over 50% in $15-30 to a steal raise.

No defend(well almost none)
weak defend
some defend
low defend
avg defend(50%)
high defend
always defends

The Party bubble hint feature will show about 20 characters when you pass the cursor over the yellow box. The above is what is most important to me anything else, which also is important, like stunts they like to play too much and their general attitude post-flop gets added below the above.

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There are many interesting numbers to look at in your past hands, but 5000 hands is still too few IMO. On the General info tab:

Vol put $ in pot

For a ring game this should be in the 16-20% range. Mine is 18%

PFR %(preflop raise)

Preflop raise and blind defense and attack numbers are sensitive to YOUR game selection criteria. I'm always looking for action games trying to be seated directly behind the big LAG and in front of tight players if possible. The range for a winning player is 6-10%, ring game, with mine at 10%.

Attempt to steal blinds

25-40% range for winning players with mine at 33%. This number is the combined steal % for Button and CO.

Folded BB to steal

I use this with Folded SB to steal to judge how well blind defense is, very important in the upper limits. I defend BB 63% in 15-30 and 50% in $10-20.

Went to SD

Mines is about 30%, but the only use I get out of this is LAG's that have a number here below 20%. Loose for pre and flop bets then tight for turn and river bets. YUM.

On the position stats tab there is your Vol put $ in pot for each position. Mine run 9% for UTG to 20% for button. When you click on a position line it will bring up hands that are played from that postion and you can double click to bring HH up which has a playback feature at the top. I look for weakness in the up front plays.

The last stat, when out of wack, I look at is the cold call % for mid-table play.

If you continue to win over 2BB/100 hands than you should consider moving up in limits, with the proper BR of about 300BB.

Hope this helps.

MS Sunshine

p.s. Any upper limit winning player is welcome to point out any errors that they might see.

lowroller
05-31-2004, 07:26 PM
Thanks, Mike! Really appreciate the help.

Prod1gy
05-31-2004, 07:34 PM
I used it to determine that ATo was one of my biggest misplayed hands and along with that and another couple of hands I changed my game up with those particular hands and I have noticed a difference.