Two hands from 11+R pokerstars tourney

[Marcin Doliwa]

Hi,
I'd be very thankfull if you could tell me how would you play this hands:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed)

MP2 (t3475)
MP3 (t22495)
Hero (t9055)
Button (t22180)
SB (t13095)
BB (t7395)
UTG (t11155)
UTG+1 (t7584)
MP1 (t11495)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t600</font>, Button folds, SB calls t500, BB folds.

Flop: (t1300) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players) </font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets t1000</font>, <font color="CC3333">SB raises to t2000</font>, Hero calls t1000.

Turn: (t5300) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players) </font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets t10470 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t15770
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: t5300 (t5300), won by SB.</font>
<font color="#990066">Pot 2: t10470 (t10470), overbet by SB.</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
No showdown. SB wins t15770. </font>

And second one (don't remember but here i was probably in the money 1st level):

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t3000 (8 handed)

SB (t43660)
Hero (t55751)
UTG (t36870)
UTG+1 (t37404)
MP1 (t81336)
MP2 (t25655)
CO (t150286)
Button (t26811)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, <font color="CC3333">SB raises to t6000</font>, Hero calls t3000.

Flop: (t10050) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players) </font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets t6000</font>, <font color="CC3333">SB raises to t12000</font>, Hero calls t6000.

Turn: (t34050) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players) </font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets t25510 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t59560
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: t34050 (t34050), won by SB.</font>
<font color="#990066">Pot 2: t25510 (t25510), overbet by SB.</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
No showdown. SB wins t59560. </font>

Regards,
Doli

[Che]

Marcin-

Preflop and turn play in both are perfect IMHO.

QQ: I probably bet the full pot (1400?) on the flop, but I could bet anywhere from 1000-1400 on this one. When the minraise comes, I fold or push with folding being the heavy favorite.

J9: If I think a check-raise is likely, I would take the free card. If I think he would only check-raise a monster, I bet the pot or a little less - probably 12000 if the pot is ~13200. If he minraises here, I call but then fold to the allin when the 4 hits the turn.

The bottom line is that these are both tough situations and I'm not really sure what the best plays are, but I hate to see a good hand post go by without comment.

BTW- What's the deal with the converter? The flop pot on the QQ hand has to be at least 1400 (your 600, SB's 600, BB's 200) even without antes, and the second flop pot has to be at least 12000 (6000 each) not counting antes and I *know* there are antes at that level so it's probably 13200.

Later,
Che

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

I *know* there are antes at that level

Not necessarily. The 2nd level after the rebuy is 100/200 no ante. The next level after that is 100/200/a25.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

Hand 1 I fold to the checkraise on the flop. Even if he doesn't have a flush he's likely to have a hand that has redraws if you have a flush. That means he has a set.

Hand 2 I'm happy to check behind with my straight draw. 2 of my outs aren't clean.

[Marcin Doliwa]

Yep, i thought about such play when i finished these hands. Probably it would be the best play here in my opinion.

Doli

[Che]

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The 2nd level after the rebuy is 100/200 no ante. The next level after that is 100/200/a25.

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This part of your response is definitely true, but when you look at my original statement in context...

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the second flop pot has to be at least 12000 (6000 each) not counting antes and I *know* there are antes at that level so it's probably 13200.


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...I think you can see that I *know* there are antes when the blinds are 1500/3000.

Nice to know that even the really good posters misread these things sometimes. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

But I certainly could have expressed myself more clearly. /images/graemlins/ooo.gif Sorry!

Che

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

Nice to know that even the really good posters misread these things sometimes.

I am by far the 2+2 leader in mis-reading posts. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[patrick dicaprio]

on hand 1 i would fold the flop. even if you are ahead it is not by much.

on hand two, it is a tough play. he may only have an overpair to the board. i would either go all in when he checkraises the flop or fold. that depends on your knowledge of him. he also could be getting tricky with a two pair which he caught while stealing but without a read on him it is difficult to figure out what you should do.

note that he played the hand, i think, as if he read you for a draw. so he raises you on the flop so you get bad odds and then when the flush misses on the turn he goes all in forcing you to fold. this sounds like a hand that he doesnt wantto showdown which means a probable pair. with trips he probably wouldnt go all in here but would try to get another bet from you since you are a dog to make the flush and he probably thinks you have an A high draw hence the desire to force you out.

Pat

Pat