Terrible Session, help me with my game please. [Archive]

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BusterStacks

05-18-2004, 02:13 AM

Ok, I have been wanting to do this for a while now, and today set me off. I had a HORRENDOUS session, and although I feel deep down that I am a winning player, I know I have a lot to learn and hopefully you can show me some mistakes in my game. I will now post some hands that lost me a lot of money. Keep in mind this is all from one table.

Hand #1:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players) 
Hero bets, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (10.75 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players) 
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 raises, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

River: (16.75 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players) 
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 19.75 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Qd Qc (one pair, queens).
MP1 shows Ts Th (one pair, tens).
MP3 shows 8s 8d (three of a kind, eights).
Outcome: MP3 wins 19.75 BB. 

Hand #2:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, Hero raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players) 
Hero bets, MP3 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players) 
Hero bets, MP3 calls, Button calls.

River: (8.25 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players) 
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Button calls $0.12 (All-In), Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 14.37 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Ah Kh (two pair, aces and kings).
MP3 shows 6c 6h (three of a kind, sixes).
Button shows Qc Jd (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: MP3 wins 14.37 BB. 

Hand #3:

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, Button calls.

Flop: (7 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players) 
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players) 
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players) 
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Qd Ad (two pair, aces and nines).
Button shows Ah Ts (two pair, aces and tens).
Outcome: Button wins 10.50 BB. 

Hand #4:

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players) 
Hero bets, MP3 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players) 
Hero bets, MP3 folds, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players) 
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Jh Jc (one pair, jacks).
Button shows Ah Kc (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Button wins 11.25 BB. 

Hand #5:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players) 
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players) 
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP2 folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls.

River: (9.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players) 
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG+1 shows 3h 3c (three of a kind, threes).
Hero shows 9d 2s (two pair, nines and twos).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 11.25 BB.

adanthar

05-18-2004, 03:16 AM

You seem a bit too aggressive overall on these.

Hand 1: Fine, although the turn almost screams 'I'm beaten'. With no read I still call down, however.

Hand 2: Questionable 3 bet on the river because you can't like what happens if you're capped- and it's a side pot, no less. I'd just call the raise.

Hand 3: Played fine, you just lost to a three outer. No biggie. The trouble, though, is that *on* the flop, you're out of position and beaten by almost any hand that could conceivably have raised to steal there except Ax. Therefore, I check/call there since I have the odds to draw to my outs (and check raise the turn which costs me another bet or two.)

Hand 4: Folding to the turn raise is a good idea.

Hand 5: I really hate hands like that. Two pair on that board is probably the best hand, but you just got raised. I think I call down and get pissed when I beat TPTK (or lose to a set, whichever.)

Shalara

05-18-2004, 03:37 AM

I'll give it a whirl. My un-expert opinion:

Hand 1:

Preflop: perfect.

Flop: Nice. Aggressive. Good. I'm guessing MP1 has AK or big pocket pair. Probably not aces, or he'd cap it. MP3 has what? Hmm... random pair, suited connector, who knows?

Turn: Ick. MP3 either flopped a straight or a set. Or just turned the set, but he's got something that beats QQ, I'm sure of it. But just in case (eep!) I'm calling it down.

River: Calling good.

Result: Ick. Had that same hand smack me around today too. Oddly enough,I think I had QQ /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Hand 2:

Preflop: Raise good.

Flop: Bet good. Since they call you though, they probably aren't going to fold by the river. Pray for A or K.

Turn: Sweet! Bet good.

River: Perfect.

Result: Ouch! That sucks! Well, I would have played the exact same way. This is where I try to assure myself that I'm glad such a player is at my table. Sometimes I actually succeed! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Hand 3:

Preflop: Most excellent. *Sometimes* I just call a raise with AQs. Sometimes I re-raise. I have a sneaking suspicion that AQ is barely a break-even hand for me though, so take it for what it's worth.

Flop: Ick. Gotta bet, I think. If raised, I'd fold.

Turn: Looking good. Hope he's not slow-playing AK or something. Must admit I'd re-raise here. What hand do you put him on? I'd think Kx. I mean, he is in good position for a steal-raise. Still, him betting into an A is pretty gutsy. Maybe Ax?

River: Well, I'd bet the river. And raise it. But that's because I've mistakenly put him on Kx. Like KK99A. Good thinking, that check & call bit. I know how to play. No, I do. Really. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

Result: Ahem. Accidently scrolled down too far, thus my comment on the river. I use the wild skin--no results are hidden. Gotta scroll with care. Everything shows up against this *purple* background!. (Heh, can't get off this purple kick. But note I'm not unleashing the abomination!)

Hand 4:

Preflop: Good

Flop: Bet good. Checking is terrible here.

Turn: I do this: Bet, get raised, fold. Got to figure he's got a strong king or two pair, maybe even flopped a set. I'm out of there.

River: Since you called the turn, you ought call the river, so good. Pot's big enough, and he might maybe possibly have been betting a flush draw. But I don't think you're going to get this one.

Result: Ouch!

Hand 5:

Preflop: Good /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Flop: I check-raise or check-fold this flop, depending. No way will I come out betting; vulnerable to any overcard, and 2 is the absolute nastiest kicker. Blech.

Turn: Check-raise. If you're re-raised, look out for the straight. Lots of people will play any ace, and I have been run down countless times on raggedly flops by A4 etc. And your table is pretty loose by previous hands... someone might have even flopped OESD. But I would still call this one down.

River: I would check-call here. You have 2 pair, but there are possible straights and a possible flush.

Result: Well. Okay then.

Must admit I love tables like that, where people call all kinds of stuff from everywhere, and slowplay it. Makes for some interesting games, that's for sure. Hands look good to me.

afk

05-18-2004, 11:39 AM

I think they're all fine for the most part. My only guff is with hand #4, specifically the turn and river. I have trouble folding to raises, but I think the turn in hand 4 might be a situation like this. But I guess the button didn't give you any indication that you might be behind on the flop. Either that or check-fold the river. I dunno, perhaps JJ is too big to let go here. I want to see more opinions.

chief444

05-18-2004, 11:52 AM

I don't really see a problem with the way you played any of these. It seems like you played them all very aggressively but did not really overplay any. 3 of the 4 you just ran into someone who flopped trips with a small pocket pair. It's poker...it happens. Keep posting hands.

Raiser

05-18-2004, 12:27 PM

Hey Buster,

I haven't looked at results or other's posts yet.

#1 - Looks good to me. You've shown aggression throughout the hand and they keep coming at you. I think you slowed down at the right time and are likely up against a set and maybe an overpair to your QQ as well? Still with an overpair to the board and a board that is developing draws very slowly, I think you need to call it down. Nice Job.

#2 - Hmm, on the flop you could bet out or check. I think either is okay with your position and 2 other opponents. The river looks like a good card, but you will often run into straight as players will stick around with any 2 broadway cards. So when you are raised I'd call it down as well. I think you did fine here.

#3 - If you think the button is sophisticated enough to try a steal then the 3-bet is perfect. If not, I might just call it and see what develops. The rest looks good to me.

#4 - If you respect the button at all you can probably lay down on the river. If he's a nutcase, I like the call down. In my experience the turn CR is either a bad player's bluff or a decent player telling you he has a good hand - so a read would be useful here.

#5 - Looks good to me.