Pocket Rockets scare. Correct play?

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Another situation today in my 5/10 at the casino.

I look down at A-A in mid position. No callers yet. I limp in as my raises were getting too much respect at this table. Small and Big Blinds were the only callers.

Flop comes 9-J-Qr. Small bets out, Big Blind raises, and I re-raise. Both players call.

Turn shows 9-J-Q-Q. Both check to me. Here I check, because I'm beat by a player who holds a Queen.

River shows a brick and both check to me. Again I check it out and take the pot down with Aces and Queens. The Small blind had a Jack in his hand. Big Blind had pocket sixes.

The part of this hand I'm trying to analysis was the turn and river. Both checked to me on the turn. Correct to check also to see the river? Both checked to me on the river? Maybe here I should have bet out? Both players betting out at this flop is what made this a toss up for me.

[Trix]

Raise preflop. If you steal win the blinds often, then raise more /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Dont you think someone with a Q would bet the river after the check-through ?

[MarkD]

For me, this is an easy bet on the turn. With two opponents it is less likely for one of them to take a shot at you without a Queen or a straight - especially when you consider your flop action. They fear that you have top pair or better on the flop with your three bet, hence if they check raise you on the turn you are almost always beat.

So, I think this is a clear case where you will likely get called by a worse hand and will be able to release it against a better hand. If no one raises me on the turn and they both check to me on the river I will bet the river unless a 9, T, J, or K hits. If someone bets into me on the river I will call them unless a Q or Ace hits.

Once you check the turn and both opponents check to you again on the river you should bet.

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Trix your absolutely right. If one of those players did have a queen. They were setting up the check/raise on the turn and it failed. They of course would not have checked again on the river. You hit the nail on the head when you look at it that way I believe.

[Alobar]

bet the turn. You don't need to be giving a free card on this board. If you're check raised you can prolly fold.

after checking through the turn and the river getting checked to you again its obvious you have the best hand. Bet it.

I like what trix said about the pre flop play. If your raises are getting too much respect then you arn't raising with enough hands.

[Peter_rus]

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bet the turn. You don't need to be giving a free card on this board. If you're check raised you can prolly fold.

after checking through the turn and the river getting checked to you again its obvious you have the best hand. Bet it.

I like what trix said about the pre flop play. If your raises are getting too much respect then you arn't raising with enough hands.

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I agree with raising on turn. If there is pair come on turn then in much more cases there is no trips with 2 other players as well as if flop contain pair then with 2 other players - you have big probability that flop fits no one.

But i disagree with fold on possible reraise. It depends on player - if he's tricky - i'm surely call. If he's loose/passive - i fold (but i think it's borderline with AA)

Don't know who is trix - but apparently he's wise guy.:-)

[Haupt_234]

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I limp in as my raises were getting too much respect at this table. Small and Big Blinds were the only callers.


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Feel lucky that you weren't doomed on the flop alone.

Bet the turn and fold to a checkraise, unless you have a good read on your opponent.

Haupt_234

[sfer]

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I limp in as my raises were getting too much respect at this table.

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This is an argument for raising more when it's folded to you late, not limping with Aces.

[LSUfan1]

I am still new at this so take it with a grain of salt. I check down the turn and river! You are forgetting that you re-raised the flop, and your opponents won't forget this. I think a bet on the river only gets called by a better hand most often, so checking down doesn't look bad to me. As far as the turn, a raise will usually get you the pot, or a reraise in which case you wasted another bet! Check and call is my option on both, but feel free to tell me I'm wrong.


Had to edit....after reading my own posts it sounds weak tight. Raise the turn, and if nothing else you gain the info you need. I do agree with raising preflop also....take it down!

[Sarge85]

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Another situation today in my 5/10 at the casino.

I look down at A-A in mid position. No callers yet. I limp in as my raises were getting too much respect at this table. Small and Big Blinds were the only callers.

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If people are respecting your raises - you should be delighted when you pick up AA

I understand your concern on the turn, but you still need to bet. Look what happened on the river - you know nothing more, and ending up loosing two rounds of bets.

Besides, after it gets checked through on the turn, there's a small chance of a person holding a Queen alowing it to get checked through again.

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[Crumpled Ear]

With a bet and a raise on the flop, I'm worried that someone has top pair, so when the 2nd queen falls on the turn, I like the check. When it's checked through on the turn, I'm betting the river, though.

[StellarWind]

If you automatically raised AA preflop whenever it was your turn that would be excellent play. I continue to be amazed by the reasons people give for limping with premium pocket pairs.

You absolutely must bet the turn. If someone checkraises then you can fold. However the truth is that if someone had a queen they would already be in your face almost every time. They are not about to let you steal a free card with a ten. Meanwhile you are losing money and giving free cards by not betting.

Don't be surprised if they both fold when you do this. Pretending to have trip queens can be almost as good as having them. Without a queen or an OESD it's real tough to stay with this hand after you bet again.

After you take a free card on the turn you should "bluff" your busted straight draw on the river. Boy are they going to be shocked when they call you with ace-high and see your real hand /images/graemlins/laugh.gif. Principle: once you show weakness people will call you with anything. Not only do you obviously have the best hand when they check the river, but no one will believe it.