KK in level 1 $10 SnG on PartyPooper - Mistake PF?

[woodguy]

Hello All,
I have seen similar posts to this regarding how much to raise this hand PF when the blinds are very small compared to the stacks. I cannot remember the consensus.
Please help.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t770)
BB (t1225)
UTG (t900)
UTG+1 (t550)
MP1 (t695)
Hero (t770)
MP3 (t760)
CO (t1560)
Button (t770)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, MP1 calls t15, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t100</font>, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls t85, UTG+1 calls t85, MP1 calls t85.

Flop: (t425) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(4 players) </font>
UTG checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets t50</font>, MP1 calls t50, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t670 (All-In)</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG raises to t800 (All-In)</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t545 (All-In).

Turn: (t2540) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players, 3 all-in) </font>

River: (t2540) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players, 3 all-in) </font>

Final Pot: t2540
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: t2260 (t2260), between UTG, MP1 and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by MP1 (t2260).</font>
<font color="#990066">Pot 2: t150 (t150), between UTG and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by UTG (t150).</font>
<font color="#990066">Pot 3: t130 (t130), overbet by UTG.</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
UTG shows Jh 9h (three of a kind, jacks).
MP1 shows 8s 9c (straight, nine high).
Hero shows Kc Kd (two pair, kings and jacks).
Outcome: MP1 wins t2260. UTG wins t280. </font>

What do you all think is the optimal PF raise here?
Regards,
woodguy

[PrayingMantis]

I don't think there is an "optimal" play. You played it fine, IMO, against 2 morons. It is possible you could have raised a bit more (maybe to around 150), but I don't think you can really make (or want) any of these chasers fold PF, maybe if you'd raised half your stack or all-in.

It is not completely unreasonable to push with KK/AA after a few limpers in these low-limit super loose games: you might get someone with J9 to call you anyways, and if you're lucky - another one with 89.

[blackaces13]

I usually push because I find at these levels there is usually 1 or 2 players who WANT to call your all-in right away and either double up or move on to the next tournament where they can be a maniac.

As you found out on the flop, a lot of players on Party really don't care how much you bet. They paid their $10 already and they're gonna damn well make you showdown a winner.

Even though it came to a bad end you still had way more equity than either of them when the $$ went in. What can you do?

[stupidsucker]

You played it damn near perfect imo.

You are only second guessing yourself because you lost the pot.

had you pushed preflop and you had only one caller and he won, you might be here asking if you shouldnt have pushed preflop, and instead just raised 3x BB(only speculation)

I disagree with pushing preflop unless there is at least a raise. Sure you get some callers that way, but I think in the long run you will make more chips if you play it like you just did.

[woodguy]

Thanks for the help.
Sage advice as always.
Regard,
woodguy