why does the Muslim world not speak out?

[trippin bily]

We all agree that it is a minority of muslims that commit the many murders worlwide on a daily basis.
Why do the non violent Muslims not speak out against all the killings in the name of Allah?

[Clarkmeister]

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We all agree that it is a minority of muslims that commit the many murders worlwide on a daily basis.
Why do the non violent Muslims not speak out against all the killings in the name of Allah?

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I'll go out on a limb and guess it's because of all the Muslims that are being killed by the US and Israel.

[sam h]

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it...

You are confusing what non-violent Muslims may or may not be saying and what you happen to be hearing.

[smudgex68]

How good is your Arabic?

[bernie]

Same reason all the non-violent christians didnt/dont speak out against all the killings in the namd of god'd. Yet they still follow.

Isnt religion wonderful?

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[Gamblor]

That's funny, because many Israelis (such as the Gush Shalom movement) speak out against Israeli actions.

I don't feel like starting another myth-debunking thread, but the Israeli and American values of democracy and freedom of information and speech allow for the following abbreviated list of Israeli organizations demanding peace-oriented concessions to the Arabs and serious internal review of Israeli policy towards the Arabs.

Gush Shalom (http://www.gush-shalom.org/)
Dukium (http://dukium.org/)
Bustan Shalom (http://www.bustanshalom.org/)
B'Tselem (http://www.btselem.org)
The Israel Religious Action Center For Human Equality, Social Justice, Religious Tolerance (http://www.ariga.com/humanrights/rac.shtml)
HaMoked (http://www.hamoked.org.il)
Rabbis for Human Rights (http://www.rhr.israel.net/)

Now, whether or not what they advocate will solve anything, the fact that they exist puts your answer into question, because Muslims are certainly killing Jewish Israelis and "Miscellaneous" Americans at a fair clip - yet Israeli and American peace movements thrive, while...

Care to list for me a bunch of Islamic fundamentalist links demanding an and to Islamic terrorism?

[jdl22]

Are you responding to a private thread or something? Clarkmeister said that perhaps muslims don't speak out because of all the muslims killed by Americans and Israelis. Your post seemed to be a response to something like this:

"Perhaps we should be asking why there are no jews speaking out against the Israeli killings of muslims."

He didn't make that statement. Pointing out that Israelis are speaking out against killing Palestinians does not have anything to do with the actual statement Clarkmeister made.

[Cyrus]

You posted links to non fundamentalist Jewish organisations that demand, in fact, an end to the Israeli fundamentalists' atrocities and state-sponsored terror. Fine.

But then you challenge anyone to come up with fundamentalist Muslim organisations that demand an end to fundamentalist Muslim terror!

How brilliant. (The judge would have asked for your autograph.)

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[trippin bily]

If people are killed in the name of your god and no one condemns it...

[trippin bily]

well said bernie

[trippin bily]

it is not always about israel.muslims are killing people on every continent on the globe. not just americans and jews.
isn't it amusing that no matter what the topic is..somehow it america and israels fault. this is about religion
not countries.the muslims aren't killing in the name of any arab country.they are just killing. mostly woman and children on buses and trains. using woman and children.

[Gamblor]

I conveniently left those out.

Since you're so interested:

Neturei Karta (http://www.nkusa.org/)
Satmar Chassidim (http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/7891/satmar.html)

Best of all, examine the teachings of Ovadia Yosef, who as the most famous Jewish fundamentalist teacher in the world, has been demanding the Israeli government concede territory to the Arabs to prevent further bloodshed.

As if that would do it.

[Gamblor]

Clarkmeister's post left the impression that somehow Israel/America were so evil that it was ridiculous that any Muslim would speak out against Muslim terrorism.

I'm more inclined to believe it is the fatwa issued against any critic of the Muslim world.

[Clarkmeister]

"Clarkmeister's post left the impression that somehow Israel/America were so evil that it was ridiculous that any Muslim would speak out against Muslim terrorism."

That wasn't my intention. Further, I don't even know that it is true that there aren't Muslim groups speaking out against those Muslims who are killing others.

I do, however, see how it is quite possible that while they wish violence would stop, they aren't about to criticize "their own" when foreigners from the other side of the globe are attacking them, killing them, and overthrowing their governments. Frankly, that doesn't seem so unreasonable to me.

A hypothetical:

Step back in time. Call the year 1982. Lets say that some radicals in Columbia, or Panama, or wherever in Central/South America were committing terrorist acts against the USSR, and had killed over 4,000 Soviet citizens in the prior year. The USSR retaliates by invading and overthrowing that Columbian (or whatever) government and setting up the regime of their choosing. They then invade a neighboring country because it might be a threat down the road. The USSR now is occupying two separate countries in our hemisphere.

How would we have reacted to a USSR occupation and takeover of Columbia and subsequent invasion of Panama? I think this is instructive in understanding how most of the Arab world could be against what is going on over there.

[SinCityGuy]

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Further, I don't even know that it is true that there aren't Muslim groups speaking out against those Muslims who are killing others.

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It's not very common, but here is one such example, condemning the beheading of Nick Berg.

Hezbollah, Hamas denounce beheading (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4971314/)

[Chris Alger]

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(excerpt_There's no excuse for silence on this kind of murder," Powell told NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I would like to have seen a much higher level of outrage throughout the world, but especially in the Arab world, to this murder," he said.

"What we saw with this horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible murder should be deplored throughout the Arab world."

Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates condemned the killing of Nicholas Berg, 26, who made his second trip to Iraq in March to work on communication towers.

His family said they last heard from him on April 9, and they notified the State Department he was missing four days later.

Amr Moussa, secretary-general of the Arab League, said Sunday that "decent people" cannot tolerate such treatment.

"We are against such acts of extreme violence and despicable actions towards human beings," he said on CNN's "Late Edition."

Powell said that there was "no comparison" between Berg's killing and the revelation of abuses at Abu Ghraib prison by American soldiers. "All this kind of behavior is unacceptable in the modern world," he said on "Fox News Sunday." "Torture of any kind is unacceptable."

"Arab leaders need to look at what's happening in their own societies," he added. "They need to reform their own societies. Torture is torture is torture. It is unacceptable. It is not the way you treat human beings." (end excerpt)

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/16/powell.berg/index.html

[ACPlayer]

I dont know about quoting Gen Powell as a source of quotations regarding outrage. Any respect he had has disappeared as a result of the UN speech and other pre-war arm-twisting where he showed that he was quite willing to be the patsy for the neo-con snake oil salesmen.