There Are Twelve 2+2ers in My Home Right Now

[Dynasty]

Roll Call: Dynasty, Clarkmeister, Coilean, Ed Miller, Barry, Rharles, Tommy Angelo, Gabe, Jay Gorsegner, J_V, Hiatus Over, and Nomar.

Incredibly, the action in this Double Discard Crazy Pineapple is very good. Unfortunately, I have only a one bedroom apartment and we play on a coffee table. What a mess!

[mike l.]

wish i was there. clark's right, i do suck.

[eastbay]

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Roll Call: Dynasty, Clarkmeister, Coilean, Ed Miller, Barry, Rharles, Tommy Angelo, Gabe, Jay Gorsegner, J_V, Hiatus Over, and Nomar.

Incredibly, the action in this Double Discard Crazy Pineapple is very good. Unfortunately, I have only a one bedroom apartment and we play on a coffee table. What a mess!

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Uh... game selection?

eastbay

[Dynasty]

We lost a few players about an hour ago. Barry, Rharless, and Jay Gorsegner took off.

The game has switched to 3-6 hold 'em.

Ed Miller (whom I'm told is a noted poker authority) got a call from Mason during play concerning the low limit hold 'em book he's writing. Of course, we all razzed him for being Mason's XXXXX.

Hey Mason, how can you let this guy sit around and drink beer when he should be working 20 hours a day to get that manuscript finished? I think this lack of professionalism on Ed's part calls for a 50% reduction in his royalties.

[Barry]

I don't think that the action was very good until I got there. My 1st hand was A /images/graemlins/heart.gifJ /images/graemlins/heart.gif A /images/graemlins/club.gifK /images/graemlins/diamond.gif so I capped it PF against Ed and won. The next hand I flop the nut straight and make it 3 bets on the turn before I realize that there were 3 hearts on the board and I have none.

Clarkmeister was playing very passively tonight, he slipped out of at least 4 checkraises. The only one that he "fell" for was a bluff by rharless BF, so he won the pot anyway.

[andyfox]

Is this the game I invented? I thought I was going to get a royalty, or at least it would be called Crazy Fox.

Remember, Tommy has said this is his best game.

[Dynasty]

We've been calling it Crazy Fox.

Tommy may have said it was his best game but he was the one who most wanted to switch to hold 'em.

[PokerBabe(aka)]

Sorry the Babe missed this group of drunken poker players, but I had to go to a gourmet dinner with my hubby. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif I did stop by Mandalay Bay to see Rhaless and Barry, but alas, they were not there.

I will be lurking at Mirage today most likely.

LGPG,
Babe /images/graemlins/heart.gif

[rharless]

Crazy Fox is a fun game. I felt like a fish out of water but it was a blast.

This one hand, I have Kc Qs Jc Jh and limp UTG, Barry on my left raises. I don't remember preflop action after that, but the end result is Tommy on my right (BB) folded and I called one SB against Barry. Tommy says cool, I can sweat you on this one and Noted Poker Authority E.M., standing behind me, also says the same.

The flop is Ks Js 8s. I bet and Barry calls. Now it is time to discard one. I want to toss my Q because I have a boat with my KJJ. But, I realize, I do not have a boat. But all the same, the K "fits" a lot with the board. I realize the Q gives me the flush draw so it provides more outs/insurance. Maybe I could suck out on myself? So with Ed and Tommy both watching me hem and haw -- I toss the K. Afterwards I get the thumbs up from both of them. An easy decision I am sure, but the first time I had even considered this situation, since I had never thought about the game before.

In another hand I limp UTG with Jh Jd Th 9d. I believe one or two more limp and then Clarky raises on the button. I call with the others. The flop is Jc Js 8c. Clarky seems a bit pouty tonight with a big headache. I check-call his flop bet. Turn Ac and he checks behind me. I realize he has checked behind at least three times tonight on both turn and river, even after capping the flop. So on the river, I think an offsuit 2, I bet. He simply folds. Here I am trying to rope a dope, but I don't have the dope.

2+2ers are excellent peoples. Dynasty, thanks for hosting all of us in your home.

[andyfox]

Yeah, I never said it was his best game, only that he said it was his best game. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Sounds like you guys had a great time, both at your place and in Babe' golf tournament.

[Angel_Fish]

When Barry ask me about going to Dynasty's home game, it sounded more like a guys drinking night than a poker night so I decided not to go. I almost immediately regretted it and wish that I had gone and got to meet all of you. Sorry. I'll be sure to accept the invite next time.

I was even wearing a shirt that had an Angel Fish on the front.

[Tommy Angelo]

"We've been calling it Crazy Fox. Tommy may have said it was his best game but he was the one who most wanted to switch to hold 'em."

Crazy Fox is an excellent game in theory but a tough one in pass-the-deal practice because it's pokey slow and because every turn and river invites an early-burn-and-turn before all the discards are in. Plus the way I figured it was, limit hold'em is what brought us together, and look here with J_V and Haitus Over and Domar all in the game and all of us playing together for the first time, it seemed right to play the game that we live for and on, at least for a while.

I re-learned something in that shorthanded limit hold'em game. From an expected results standpoint, the game played ideally for me, with lots of posturing and aggression by pretty much everyone pretty much all the time except for me. Dozens of times, hands were turned over at the showdown that had gone multiple bets preflop and/or on the flop that I would have folded both before the flop and on the flop.

Does that mean I "played better" or "played worse" than my opponents? Nope. Does it mean that I was playing in exactly the right way to give myself the best chance of making the most money? Yup. Is there a contradiction here? Nope.

Do I suddenly have to sign off without probing further into whatever the heck I am talking about? Yup!



Tommy

[SinCityGuy]

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Roll Call: Dynasty, Clarkmeister, Coilean, Ed Miller, Barry, Rharles, Tommy Angelo, Gabe, Jay Gorsegner, J_V, Hiatus Over, and Nomar.

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I read this, then I had a nightmare later.

In my nightmare, I'm waiting for a seat in a 20/40 game. My name is called, I walk up to the table, see this lineup, and subsequently break Michael Johnson's world record in the 200m as I run out of the casino.

[Clarkmeister]

"he slipped out of at least 4 checkraises. The only one that he "fell" for was a bluff by rharless BF, so he won the pot anyway."

As I said, despite what you all seemed to think, I was not the designated bettor for the table. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Josh W]

I see no threats...deal me in...

In all seriousness...mike l. and i had been hoping to make it...he couldn't (not sure why) and work got in the way for me...woulda been a blast...

I'm coming out there this upcoming Thursday, and likely staying through the end of the main event (if I'm still in it till the end, then I'll definitely stay until the end)...

Hope to see some faces then...

J

[WarmonkEd]

can someone explain to me the rules of Crazy Fox? I take it, it's something like omaha with a discard after the flop and turn?

[Clarkmeister]

Played with 4 cards dealt to each player.
Flop. Discard one.
Turn. Discard one.
River, played like holdem.

[Clarkmeister]

Funny moment: Coyleen defends his $2 BB against my $5 raise in PLO, saying "how big a dog can I possibly be with four cards?" After folding to my flop bet, he shows his JT98 rainbow hand which was, as it turned out, in fairly deep doodoo against my QQJTs hand.

[Coilean]

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Crazy Fox is an excellent game in theory but a tough one in pass-the-deal practice because it's pokey slow and because every turn and river invites an early-burn-and-turn before all the discards are in.

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Heh, after doing the early burn-and-turn twice in the same hand (as well as singly on several other deals), I think I can pretty safely say I am the worst Crazy Fox dealer ever. I sure hope I never have to quit my night job /images/graemlins/wink.gif.

[mike l.]

"Does that mean I "played better" or "played worse" than my opponents? Nope. Does it mean that I was playing in exactly the right way to give myself the best chance of making the most money? Yup. Is there a contradiction here? Nope."

i think youre stretching here. i think the answer to both questions is a definitive "yup". i learned this rethinking of shorthand from you and it's proven wildly successful for me as well.

really sorry i missed the game.

[andyfox]

Well, based on my results at the first Crazy Fox session here in L.A., you may be the worst dealer, but I am definitely the worst player.

Example: After the first discard, I was left with Q-Q-T on a board of Q-Q-T-T and when I bet, after eveyrone else folded, Jim Rivett called, with the admonition, "Be careful, Andy." I taught him a lesson by exposing my cards.

[Barry]

So how many bets did you think you lost doing THAT?

[Gabe]

Man, Tommy, I love watching you play. It's beautiful.

[Gabe]

The most fun I've had playing for a long time, especially playing pot-limit omaha for the first time with Clarkmeister, Coileen, and Tommy. I wish I could have talked mike and Josh into comming. Next time bigger table. OK?

[Tommy Angelo]

Hi Gabe,

Much enjoyed seeing you again. Now that that's out of the way, do you mind if I tell everyone about the PLO hand where you paid me off like a slot machine on the river?

The blinds were $1-2. Stack sizes ranged from $200 to your tabled wad. I had somewhere between $200 and $500. Four of us saw the flop for $2, so the pot was $8 preflop. The flop came J-x-x. I checked in first seat and everyone else checked too. The next card came low. I checked again, and it got checked around again. The river paired the lowest card. I bet out $2. Next player folded, you barely barely called, and Bryan folded. I had jacks full. Coileen said I was being rude. lol


Tommy

[andyfox]

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Exactly zero.

[Clarkmeister]

"do you mind if I tell everyone about the PLO hand where you paid me off like a slot machine on the river?"


I mentioned it to someone the other day, but where are all these slot machines that supposedly pay off so easily?

[Rushmore]

When I read the title of your post, I imagined it being said in the same voice as that "I've fallen, AND I CAN'T GET UP!!" lady, or maybe like a Forensic Files episode, with the panicked telephone voice from the 911 tape.

I then had a crisis of conscience for not calling the police for you, as I imagined they had cut your phone wires, and this was your only means of calling for help.

But then, after reading the actual post, I realized that you had actually invited these people into your home.

We're all praying for you, I'm sure.

[Dynasty]

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But then, after reading the actual post, I realized that you had actually invited these people into your home.

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I actually only invited about half of them. Rharless and and Jay just showed up after apparently learning about the game from Barry at Mandalay Bay. J_V, Hiatus Over, and Nomar kind of invited themselves too. Or maybe Clarkmeister invited them when they called him.

Of course, they were all welcome and I was glad to have them here.

[balt999]

Wow!! 12 people around a coffee table...it's a vision I'd pay to see /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Coilean]

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Coileen said I was being rude.

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I thought I said it was a mean bet, meaning it was a perfect one, but I'm sure my memory of the hand would be the most impaired /images/graemlins/crazy.gif. I mean collectively we were obliged to call a $2 bet; as 4 2+2ers who have read their Izmet, the communal shame of being bluffed out of a pot for $2 would simply be too much to bear. Gabe just happened to be the fall guy /images/graemlins/wink.gif.

[Rushmore]

Sounds like a good time, all around.

Some day, I intend to attain a level of prominence approaching that which would enable me to just walk right up the front steps of any 2+2'er with a status above newbie.

Maybe secret handshakes, passwords, etc., or perhaps we will all simply know one another by the 500-yard stare, our inner suffering ultimately becoming more obvious, manifesting in some sort of recognizable, obviously poker-related common trait (see "Fight Club").

His name was Robert Paulson.

[Rick Nebiolo]

Andy,

You should look into this patent thing as there may be more profit in poker than leather.

I'm not in the loop for this but we have something called "LA Holdem" at the Bike which is simply holdem with the river card dealt face down to everybody. So far "Crazy Fox" looks like it has more fans.

The rest of you guys can read more about the day Andy invented this game here (http://tinyurl.com/27uf7). He will need proof that it was his idea for the patent.

Wish I could have been there but I'm not sure Dynasty would have let me in /images/graemlins/grin.gif.

~ Rick

[andyfox]

"Let me set the table for you -
Seat 1 - Rick and his Hero alternating
Seat 2 - me
Seat 3 - Ed Miller (Majorkong)
Seat 4 - Josh W
Seat 5 - Gabe
Seat 6 - Dynasty
Seat 7 - mike l.
Seat 8 - Clarkmaster
Seat 9 - Andy Fox"

No wonder why I lost. Gives new meaning to the old saw about looking around the table and not finding a pigeon meaning you're it.

I was it. (Although I think Dynasty did equally well that night. /images/graemlins/frown.gif)

[Vehn]

Shouldn't it be "heroine"?

Or uh.... not?

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Shouldn't it be "heroine"?

Or uh.... not?

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I don't know. She's my "heroine" (usually spoken after she takes another hand uphill and gets there) just doesn't sound right /images/graemlins/grin.gif Maybe we should ask John Cole over on other topics.

~ Rick