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dfscott

05-13-2004, 02:11 PM

I was the guy that posted yesterday about being up 80BB in 2 hours. That session, I was getting great starting hands and easy-to-fold trash hands. Well, last night I got plenty of trash hands, but I got lots of 2nd best hands and lost 50 of those BB. I want to know if I was playing badly or it's just one of those things -- please comment:

Hand 1

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero raises, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players) 
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (6 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players) 
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (8 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players) 
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB
Main Pot: 10 BB, between BB and Hero. > Pot won by BB (10 BB).

Results in white below: 
BB shows Ac Ts (one pair, aces).
Hero shows 9s 9d (one pair, nines).
Outcome: BB wins 10 BB. 
Should I fold this when I'm bet into on the turn?

Hand 2

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (7 SB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (7 players) 
SB bets, Hero calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (6 players) 
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, CO calls, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds.

River: (10.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players) 
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 bets, CO calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB
Main Pot: 13.50 BB, between MP3, CO and Hero. > Pot won by MP3 (13.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows 8c 7d (two pair, tens and sevens).
MP3 shows Th Ah (three of a kind, tens).
CO shows 9c Jc (two pair, tens and nines).
Outcome: MP3 wins 13.50 BB. 
Fold when the board pairs?

Hand 3

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players) 
BB checks, UTG bets, MP3 calls, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (7.20 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players) 
UTG checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

River: (10.20 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players) 
UTG checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP3 raises, Hero calls, UTG calls.
I can't see folding this one -- check/call the river instead?

Final Pot: 16.20 BB
Main Pot: 16.20 BB, between UTG, MP3 and Hero. > Pot won by MP3 (16.20 BB).

Results in white below: 
UTG shows 9s 9h (one pair, nines).
MP3 shows Qd 6d (flush, ace high).
Hero shows 7h 7d (three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: MP3 wins 16.20 BB. 

Hand 4

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Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. UTG posts a blind of $0.05.
UTG (poster) checks, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players) 
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Button checks.

Turn: (2 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players) 
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG folds, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players) 
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB
Main Pot: 8 BB, between Button and Hero. > Pot won by Button (8 BB).

Results in white below: 
Button shows 8d 5d (three of a kind, eights).
Hero shows Ts Jd (two pair, tens and eights).
Outcome: Button wins 8 BB. 
I smelled trips here when he raised the turn but can't see folding top pair, or should I? Check/fold the river when I don't improve?

Hand 5

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (7 players) 
Hero bets, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players) 
Hero bets, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds.

River: (7.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players) 
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB
Main Pot: 11.50 BB, between MP3 and Hero. > Pot won by MP3 (11.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
MP3 shows Jh Js (full house, jacks full of twos).
Hero shows 2d 6d (three of a kind, twos).
Outcome: MP3 wins 11.50 BB. 
Am I playing trips (particularly micro-trips) too hard? I'm glad he let me off so easy, although I wish he would've raised pre-flop so I could've folded this! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Raiser

05-13-2004, 02:23 PM

#1 - Hmm. Looks like you're beat when he bets into you on the turn. The ace doesn't worry him, so I'm guessing he has an ace or can beat top pair. Unless you know him to be laggy, I'd lay it down here.

#2 - Why'd you call the river bet?

#3 - After an EP raise, I like at least one more cold caller (the more the better) before I play this hand. Is that too weak? The rest looks good. No reason to fear the flush as it's runner runner.

#4 - Again, maybe I'm too weak pre-flop, but I'd prefer at least one more caller before I play JTo. I hate JTo. Suited is an easy call. I like the rest. It took me a long time to realize that a turn raise usually means "I can beat top pair." Still I'd call this down unless you knew the guy to be a good player.

#5 - Perfect. Bad luck.

Festus22

05-13-2004, 02:35 PM

Hand 1 - Bleh. One of those classic trap hands. Does someone have an ace or not? There's an 11% chance per player if one flops. So there's a 44% chance you're up against one here. Flop bet is good. So then it's either call down or fold the turn (or raise the turn which I dislike). Flip a coin.

Hand 2 - Flop and turn OK. The board pairing is a bit of a bummer but no one showed any real power on the flop so I'd think it unlikely someone turn boated. I'd fold the river given the fact there's a bettor and an overcaller to you.

Hand 3 - Played fine.

Hand 4 - Similar to hand 1. Does he or doesn't he? Plus you're only ahead of a worse 10 and would he raise with it? Pot is small. I'd fold.

Hand 5 - Played fine (I would fold this PF but that's probably wrong getting 13:1. I'm not good at hitting miracle flops /images/graemlins/tongue.gif).

dfscott

05-13-2004, 03:21 PM

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#2 - Why'd you call the river bet?

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Everyone seems to be advocating folding the river. Even though I missed the straight draw, I hit two pair. Is this still not worth a call?

Edit: Never mind -- I'm an idiot. It's only 1 pair -- I should've folded.

Dieter01

05-13-2004, 05:53 PM

I don't understand why its OK to play hand three, the pocket 77.

He is a 7.5 to one underdog to flopping his set. But that doesn't always hold up, so lets assume he is a 9:1 underdog to winning the hand before we have seen the flop. That means he needs to make at least 9 times what he bets pre-flop to make money on this hand in the long run.

So, if there is no raise he needs to make at least 9 SB's. If there is a raise he needs to make back 9 BB's. I think I agree with Raiser when he sais he wants at least one more limper inn pre-flop.

Peter Harris

05-13-2004, 07:36 PM

1) i'd be more likely to fold this on the turn depending on earlier reads. if he is an "any-acer", i probably would. but it is a do-they-don't-they affair!

2) call the turn, you have 5-1 for your straight draw and if you catch you only lose to a JT/T9/T8 hand, read your player notes to see if he'll play any of those. Fold the river despite making 2 pair, it is bottom 2, he probably had a T only, but trips beat 2 pair.

3) horrible 16-1 or worse suckout. NEVER NEVER NEVER check call this river, horrible weak tight play. bet out and if raised, call down or reraise if you think they will raise with a paired ace. I think a lot of the time if you play it like this, you will win against aces more often than sucked out horribly by a flush. well played, bad luck.

4) most microlimiters slow play their trips on the flop, so check your player notes and decide. I'd be folding this river as he is still betting into you noticeably unafraid of an Ace, which means he is Ax or 8x and both beat you.

5) nice flop catch, monstrously unlucky turn. If that player plays their JJ without PF raises or turn raises when filling up they will never make it to a good bankroll.

Just my two cents. As a postmodernist feminist, i'm off to chastise myself for continually putting "he" instead of "they" and having to alter it. Lucky my partner's not here or she'd knock my block off.

Keep up the good work. I played .05/.10 for 6 months before moving to party, hope you make it there too!
Peter Harris