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akira

05-13-2004, 11:50 AM

I'm a beginner, playing Limit Holdem on PokerStars for .05c/.10c. Here are some hands for review:

Hand 1:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (6 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players) 
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: (3 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players) 
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: 4 BB
Main Pot: 3 BB, won by Hero.
Pot 2: 1 BB, overbet by Hero.

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins 4 BB. 

Should I have slow played hand above on the turn?

Hand 2:

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players) 
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players) 
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: (10.50 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players) 
SB checks, BB bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB
Main Pot: 14.50 BB, between MP2, Hero, SB and BB. > Pot won by MP2 (14.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
BB shows Kd 9d (two pair, nines and threes).
MP2 shows 8h Th (flush, ten high).
Hero shows Kc Kh (two pair, kings and threes).
SB shows Qh Qc (two pair, queens and threes).
Outcome: MP2 wins 14.50 BB. 

Hand 3:

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, CO raises, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (11 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players) 
SB checks, MP1 bets, MP2 folds, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, SB folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players) 
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players) 
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB
Main Pot: 14 BB, between Hero and CO. > Pot won by Hero (14 BB).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows 8h Ah (two pair, aces and eights).
CO shows Ts Td (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 14 BB. 

Should I have reraised/capped the betting on river & turn for hand above?

Hand 4:

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (10 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players) 
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, Button folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players) 
Hero bets, BB raises, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players) 
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB
Main Pot: 12.50 BB, between Hero and BB. > Pot won by BB (12.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Jd Kd (two pair, kings and queens).
BB shows Qd 7c (three of a kind, queens).
Outcome: BB wins 12.50 BB. 

Hand 5:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif. CO posts a blind of $0.07.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO (poster) checks, Button folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players) 
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO raises, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (8.20 BB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players) 
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, UTG+2 3-bets, MP3 folds, CO calls, Hero calls.

River: (18.20 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players) 
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 18.20 BB
Main Pot: 18.20 BB, between CO, Hero and UTG+2. > Pot won by UTG+2 (18.20 BB).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Jh Qs (one pair, jacks).
UTG+2 shows 8h Qh (straight, queen high).
CO shows 9d Jc (two pair, jacks and nines).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins 18.20 BB. 

Should I have folded this? Had top pair but lots of action, not sure when to fold those...

Thanks!

sublime

05-13-2004, 11:57 AM

Welcome bro /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Hand 1- Played fine, slowplaying is for the flop not the turn.

I have ADD, so I didnt make it to the rest of the hands /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Raiser

05-13-2004, 12:54 PM

#1 - It looks like at this table if you don't bet it, no one else will. Good bet.

#2 - Bet the turn. You can't fear the flush and you have to charge someone holding the A /images/graemlins/heart.gif to see the river. He'll still have odds to call, but by not betting you are giving him infinite pot odds.

#3 - Cap the flop and lead the turn or call the flop and CR the turn. You have to be 100% certain he'll bet on the turn to choose the latter though.

#4 - I guess I want a couple more callers before I'll raise this pre-flop.

#5 - On the turn, you are getting ~6:1 on your call. This would be okay if you weren't drawing to a one card straight. If an 8 hits you might be chopping, so I don't think you have the odds to call.

akira

05-13-2004, 03:14 PM

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#5 - On the turn, you are getting ~6:1 on your call. This would be okay if you weren't drawing to a one card straight. If an 8 hits you might be chopping, so I don't think you have the odds to call.

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Yeah, the odds to draw a straight weren't there.. But I also had the top pair on the board (Jacks), or was it not worth much b/c of all the action?

Raiser

05-13-2004, 03:17 PM

Given the action, I would say your top pair doesn't stand a very good chance of being ahead on the turn.

chief444

05-13-2004, 03:25 PM

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Given the action, I would say your top pair doesn't stand a very good chance of being ahead on the turn.

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I agree. But it was an OESD, not gutshot, on the turn so the odds were there.

dfscott

05-13-2004, 03:42 PM

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#5 - On the turn, you are getting ~6:1 on your call. This would be okay if you weren't drawing to a one card straight.

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I see this all the time about not drawing to a one-card straight but I don't think I understand the logic, particularly since you see people drawing to 1-card flushes. Is it because you don't have to worry about chopping with a flush or because a flush is more likely to win the pot?

Raiser

05-13-2004, 03:47 PM

I saw it was an OESD, but I suspect that he might have to chop if he hits either end, so I don't think you can count all his outs as clean. When I said it was a 1 card straight, I meant he would only contribute 1 card to it since his J has been counterfeited by the board.

Am I thinking poorly about this?

Raiser

05-13-2004, 03:50 PM

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Is it because you don't have to worry about chopping with a flush or because a flush is more likely to win the pot?

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I'd say it's both. 1 card straights don't get chopped all the time of course, but it's something to consider when you are facing a thin call like this one.

chief444

05-13-2004, 03:56 PM

My bad. I didn't realize that's how you meant it. I agree that should be considered and you need somewhat better odds because of a possible split pot. That makes it close but I think because of the slight possibility that top pair Q kicker may be good yet on top of the straight draw I would still call.

Thanks for clarifying what I'm sure everyone but me understood clearly. /images/graemlins/confused.gif