100 SNG challenge

[tommy2]

Over the next month, I will play 100 SNGs at Party (probably at the 30+3 level). I am a person motivated by competition. Therefore, /images/graemlins/grin.gifI would love for a couple other posters to join me in playing 100 SNGs as well and have a friendly competition to see who has the best percentage in the money, ROI, # of wins, etc. I'm not looking to bet, just to do this concurrently with others and have some fun. Anyone interested?

[AtlBrvs4Life]

Sounds good to me. I was planning on doing this anyhow. I just moved up to $30+$3 and I am having an easy time so far. I find it easier than $20+$2 and only slightly harder than $10+$1. I have only played four, but have gotten 1st-4th place once each. Good luck and lets begin the battle. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Holm Fries]

I'm in. Limit or no?

[tommy2]

I don't think it matters NL or Limit, and you can certainly vary your level (from 30 to 50, etc.). All right...we have at least three: game on! If either of you are interested, PM me your names and where you play so we can sweat each other once in a while. I am gwshark22 at Party.

[AtlBrvs4Life]

Same name on party.

[tolbiny]

great timing, i just moved up to the 30+3 NL sngs yesterday, and i have played 9 so far. shall we post updates or just wait untill we hit 100?

[byronkincaid]

Yeah, I'm up for this.

[Tosh]

I'll do it for 50's.

[Peter Harris]

can the 10+1 babies join in, or is this for the big kids?

I play NL and PL with the occasional limit. My bankroll is still being created (up from $50 to $250 playing 80% 5+1s and 20% 10+1 - now up at 10+1).

If you don't mind me joining in but being somewhat behind you in the levels, it'd be a nice way to get some insight from the big sharks in the ocean!

Pete

[tommy2]

Any level can play...in the interest of learning, let's post our rates after each grouping of 10. This means that we will be reporting at different times of the month, but things will move at each person's pace. Let's make it a goal to take some notes and make some comments along with our win rates, etc. each 10 SNG's so that we have something to talk about along the way.

This is gonna be fun.

[Daliman]

Ok, i'm in, but this should only take me a couple of days...with the right timing, 24 hours even....but not this time. $200+15's for me, so regale me with your 50% cashing #'s and 45% roi's, cuz i aint gonna be that high.

[tolbiny]

Here are my numbers and some comments on my first 10 30+3 tourneys.

Average place: 4.9
ROI: 9.09%
Placed: 30%
3rd: 1
2nd: 0
1st: 2

total profit: $30
total time to play: 4.78 hours.

I posted a hand that put me out of the 10th tourney i played below.
In the 8th-9th tourney i was playing a 900 person 5+1 multitable tourney as well. I had three really tight blinds to my left and i was almost a lag against them building my stack up to 8000 basically on blind steals. This agression carried over to the SNGs where i was overagressive and i busted out in 6th both times. My other 7 tourneys i played decently- i had 2 4ths a 6th and an 8th to go with my 3 places.

[Lori]

Didn't Daliman play 100 in 24 hours at the 200 level?

Lori

[AtlBrvs4Life]

I just finished my first ten $30+$3 tourneys. Here are my results:

1st: 1
2nd: 3
3rd: 2
4th: 3
5th: 1

In the Money: 60%
ROI: 63.3%

I am pleased with my results even though a couple of the times when it was down to four, I was disappointed in how I played. I should have gotten more first place finishes, but had some bad beats heads up. For example, I get AK, raise pre-flop, flop is KJ4 rainbow, I bet, guy goes all-in, I think and call. He had 45o and catches a 5 on the river. Personally, I really find the $30 tourneys to be the easiest of any I have played, but I might have joined some games with a lot of fish. /images/graemlins/confused.gif Looking forward to hearing some of your guys' results.

[stupidsucker]

I just moved up to the 20+2 level myself.

here are my stats for the first 52 tourneys

1st- 7
2nd- 6
3rd- 12
4th- 5
5th- 8
average finish 4.25
%in$ %48.08
RoI 35%

I am thinking of moving to 30+3 but I wanted to play about 500 20's first. I actualy feel my stats are a little lower then they can be. I have suffered a lot of late bad beats.

I will post my final 100 first 20+2's

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[tommy2]

Well, I am only 5 in, and have placed in the money 3 out of 5 times. The last one I came in 3rd, but lost when I flopped top two pair--went all in and lost to a flopped nut straight. Arrgh.

[ZeeJustin]

Well if Daliman is in, I'll jump in too. This will also only take me a couple of days.

[mackthefork]

How are you doing this so quickly, do you have a job or play poker for your income ?? My brain starts to drip out of my ears if i play more that 3 in any day.

[tommy2]

Personally, I find that if I play several of these in a day I get stronger as the day wears on. I just finished getting my grad degrees, so playing a bunch of poker over the next few weeks sounds relaxing to me!

[stupidsucker]

I play between 25-35 a day. 35 was my goal with 10+1's but now with 20's I can play a few less and enjoy the day more. I just moved to Vegas, and I am still setteling in here. Odd that I move here and play internet poker for cash :/ My bankroll is too small for the games I want to play.

Played in a 40 +20 RB at Saharah last night. I hated it. Talk about lightning blinds... every 20 minutes they double. The tables are 12 handed, we never finish a full circle before the blinds change.

Anyways, sorry to change the subject. The question wasnt even directed at me, but I have post envy.

[tommy2]

Ok...completed the first ten--who is beating me?

1st-2
2nd-2
3rd-2

60% in the money, 81% ROI, $270 profit.

[Daliman]

Yes, he did, and he lost $200 for his trouble

[Daliman]

I'm recently on self-imposed underemployment, watching Dalibaby and DJ'ing occaisionally on weekends, as Daliwoman got a great new job pushing drugs. So yeah, i'm sorta full time with it now, although i usually play less then 25 hours a week right now, (lotta DaliHoneyDo's). Also, I play 4 tables at a time, and at times have 1-2 cash games going at the same time.

OCD?!? What OCD?

[Daliman]

btw, here's an Idea of how the 4 month old Dalibaby is doing in Daliman's care..

http://photoshop.superdownloads.net/uploads/Dalibaby.jpeg

[Daliman]

WSOP 2025 champion-DALIBABY! http://photoshop.superdownloads.net/uploads/Dalibaby.gif

[snowbank]

Tommy, sweet challenge! I have actually been playing nothing but sit and goes for a while. Now have decided to switch up because I was getting a bit bored. I played a total of 75 sit and goes. This was at $10 NLHE 9 player sit and go tables. Not at the same stakes as you but thought you might still be interested in my stats:

1st-19
2nd-10
3rd-13

On a pro-rated scale of 100 played my stats would be:

1st-25.3
2nd-13.3
3rd-17.3

Probably will be playing ring games for a while now. After several days of finals in a row I took a night off of studying last night. Played for 3 hours and won $150 playing ring games, so I'm going to see if ring games will be more profitable for me. Interested in hearing your final stats.

[tommy2]

Snowbank's numbers give me something to shoot for! The gauntlet has been thown down.

[Daliman]

Ok, i played my first 19 tonight, here's the sordid results;
3 Firsts
0 Seconds
5 thirds
11 no cashers
So the 3rd place incedence kinda blows, but at least i won all my HU matches, and my weighted cashing average is just barely below even distribution, which is better than i usually do, so i'm happy for that. Also a pretty good final result for the night considering a started off 0 for 7, losing all 7 on dominating hands and overpairs, lol.

So, so far: 42.1% in the $$$( a bit high for me)
22.3% ROI (also a bit high for me)
Total also includes 5 4th places, a title i GUARANTEE i hold.

[stupidsucker]

So here is a recap of the action so far.

Stupid Sucker
20+2
#played-79
1st-10
2nd-13
3rd-14
4th-9
%in $$$-%46.84
RoI-%35
total won $602

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tommy2
30+3(I think)
#played-10
1st-2
2nd-2
3rd-2

60% in the money, 81% ROI,
$270 profit.
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snowbank
10+1
#played-75
1st-19
2nd-10
3rd-13
a whopping 127% ROI
56% in the $$
$1048 profit
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Daliman
level unkown(200?)
#played -19
1st-3
2nd-0
3rd-5
4th-5
%in $$$- %42.1
RoI ".3

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everyone is doing well..
2+2ers rule the SnG's!

Should I move up to 30+3's anytime soon you think? my data for the last 250 or so 10+1's was about the same.

[ZeeJustin]

(results are for 200+15 NLHE SNG's on Party)
1st - 6
2nd - 4
3rd - 6
out of money - 28

Interestingly enough, I am second as of now on the Party TLB. I really wanted to win it this week, but my results have been mediocre at best. Also, I apparently have to be out of town Saturday, so I guess the dream is over. Oh well, I'll probably try again sometime.

[snowbank]

I think my numbers for profit and ROI are pretty much split in half from what you had down. Sorry, I forgot to include that stuff... I played at pokerstars, don't know if that has a different payout scale or not, it's $45, $27 and $18. Didn't want to have my numbers inflated /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[tommy2]

Stupidsucker, I think moving to 30+3 would be a good move. There are plenty of bad players at that level and the higher payoff makes the bad beats sting less. Personally, I have played as high as 100+10, but I feel like there is a big jump from 30 to 50 and another small jump from 50 to 100. Haven't had the money (stones?) to play the 200 yet.

Daliman, how much harder would you say the 200 is vs. the 100?

[snowbank]

What do you think about jumping from $10 to $20, or $10 to $30.(I read somewhere $30 games are easier than $20 I think) I play on pokerstars though. Any comments on party poker compared to pokerstars. Or what stakes I should be playing if I was to play sit and goes? Thanks.

[stupidsucker]

Snowbank..Normally I would say to move to party because I found PS to be difficult in comparasin. However your stats are so great on stars ..... If it aint broke dont fix it.

I think I will move to the 30+3 realm soon myself. I will finish out the last 24 tourneys at the 20 level and make sure I dont have a terrible downswing.

Zee you are #1 now on the weekly. #77 monthly. I am ranked #83 for the week and #151 for the month. I should move up to 30+3 and hit the trail hard. Ill bet I can make top ten. I am only 500 points away from it now, and I started this week playing 10's.

[Peter Harris]

Ah, how embarrasing. it's like dropping your undies in front of your peers and only noticing when the breeze tickles you.

My first 10 have been terrible. i promise to you that these are atypical!

1st: 1
3rd: 1
4th: 2 [once shortstacked and out when 60% favourite, the other my AJ lost to QJ, d'oh]
6th:2
7th:2
8:1
tenth: 1

Most of my low places are my overaggression with ace-high kicker and people spiking their 8 kickers.

So, placed in the money 20% of the time for a loss of $40. Mmmmm. that's good humble pie.

Here's to the next ten /images/graemlins/blush.gif
Peter Harris

[stupidsucker]

I went for the 30's right away.

I found them slightly tougher on the bubble, but I will just have to adjust my play for it.

I suffered a ton of bad beats.(Almost every hand I lost with I had a dominating hand)

played 13 and scraped together out of the red barely

1st-1
2nd-2
3rd-2
4th-3
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only 38% in the money and 5% RoI
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I feel I got robed on quite a few hands, but maybe I am delusional. My favorite bubble loss is 99 Vs 86o
Big stack called my all in of 825 with a 400BB.. he caught a runner runner 4flush to beat me. his stack wasnt HUGE so imo he should of layed it down. he was just feeding me chips, but got real real lucky.

The other two were AQ(ME) vs KQ
9To(me) vs 35o(other slightly bigger short stack)


sorry this has turned into a "woe is me, I am the ONLY one to suffer bad beats on the bubble."

[Tosh]

Ok I'm starting tonight, probably play 15 or so. Will post my results after.

[Prickly Pete]

[ QUOTE ]
My favorite bubble loss is 99 Vs 86o
Big stack called my all in of 825 with a 400BB.. he caught a runner runner 4flush to beat me. his stack wasnt HUGE so imo he should of layed it down. he was just feeding me chips, but got real real lucky

[/ QUOTE ]

I won't say this wasn't a bad beat - it was. But why shouldn't he call you here with 86o? I would. He can't really only expect you to have a pair of 8s or higher can he?

[tommy2]

I have played at Stars a little and UB and Paradise a fair bit...all I can say is that my personal winning percentage at Party was always much higher. I agree with some of the treads in this forum that say that the competition is stiffening, but it is still fairly easy. The jump from 10 to 20 or 30 is probably pretty easy for you to do. I would do it. I did a few 10s early on, but was frustrated by the people who went all in pre-flop with J 10s and sucked out on my KKs, etc. At 30 and up there is less of that crap so I feel like there is that nice nexus where the average player has some skill, but not enough to really make me sweat.

Go for it, says I.

[ZeeJustin]

[ QUOTE ]
Daliman, how much harder would you say the 200 is vs. the 100?


[/ QUOTE ]

They are significantly harder IMHO.

[tommy2]

That is what I figured...

Anybody have a sense of what an appropriate bankroll needs to be for SNGs?

[Prickly Pete]

I concur. But it's not just better players, it's also a style difference. A timid player will get run over at the $200s. A lot more raising and reraising there.

[ZeeJustin]

[ QUOTE ]
Anybody have a sense of what an appropriate bankroll needs to be for SNGs?

[/ QUOTE ]
50 buyins sounds like a good number to a winning player. I could be wrong though.

[tommy2]

I just got Doyle Brunsoned! Took my AKs into a flop with 6 8 10 (four to a flush)...turn and river are 2's.

Guy turns over 10 2...I'm out!

[stupidsucker]

I am so on tilt right now its crazy.

MY KK got killed by river Aces 3 times today out of less then 20 tourneys.

So far 30's have been a huge step down for me, but it isnt better players, its luckier ones.
Just lost 1st place with Q9s to J4s.... he floped the J and then runner runnered a quad to rub it in my face.

If this continues I wont be able to play poker at all. I want to kill everyone.

[tommy2]

Hang in there man! That's why we are playing 100, stuff like that evens out.

[ZeeJustin]

[ QUOTE ]
Hang in there man! That's why we are playing 100, stuff like that evens out.

[/ QUOTE ]
100 SNG's is a small sample size. It's not rare for a winning player to be a loser after only 100 SNG's.

[Tosh]

[ QUOTE ]
Hang in there man! That's why we are playing 100, stuff like that evens out.

[/ QUOTE ]

Play 500+ and it'll start to even out, you can still have bad luck enough to lose over 100.

[Jason Strasser]

Hahaha.
"Guilty Conscience"
Dr.Dre to Eminem: "Relax, start breathing."

I love to quote things out of context.

Of course that song ends with Dr.Dre conceding to Eminem, who shoots his cheating wife and the man with a shotgun. So I'm not sure what the moral of this story is.

Sorry for being a nuisance to society.

[AtlBrvs4Life]

My second 10 tournaments didn't go as good as the first. A combination of bad beats, bad cards, and playing bad caused my results to drop. Here are my results:

1st: 2
2nd: 4
3rd: 4
4th: 3
5th: 3
6th: 2
7th: 2

In the Money: 50%
Return of Investment: 36.4%
Profit: $240

[stupidsucker]

whew, I pulled it out my arse.
I went down as much as -195 bucks and dug myself out of the hole up $111 for the day of 33 30+3's SnG's

I rarely play on tilt, but I sure do yell a lot and complain to my girlfriend and anyone else that will listen.

Im done for the day burnt out on SnG's cant handle the swing today. Tomorrow is another day... for tonight I am going to hit B&M at the Orleans..

thanks for the vote of confidence.

[tommy2]

Well the second 10 were pretty ugly. I made some terrible plays, but also had a few bad beats. I guess it all evens out. I always feel like my NL game rests on the edge of a razor, if I am in "the zone" I feel absolutly unbeatable...I usually not only win but dominate. When I don't feel that way, I usually make dumb moves and misread players. It seems like when I am in that zone the other players are reacting to me and that I control the table. When I feel off I feel like I am chasing cards. Any thoughts on this?

Here are the stats:

1st-0
2nd-1
3rd-1

overall 42% ITM, 15.5% ROI profit of $101

Gotta retrench!

[AJo Go All In]

my last 100 party 200+15s

1st - 14
2nd - 16
3rd - 11
OOTM - 59
profit - $6500
roi - 30.23%

[ZeeJustin]

106 200+15 NL SNGs played (oops, sorry, went over)
1st - 15
2nd - 10
3rd - 12
profit - $3010
FIT$ = 34.91%
ROI = 13.3%
$ per tourney = $28.4

For me, this is a slightly below average run, but I can't really complain. Hopefully it's good enough to put me as #1 on the weekly TLB (results aren't up yet for some reason).

[Daliman]

After 48 $200+15 SNG's(been busy, not playing much)

6 firsts
4 seconds
8 thirds
30 Out of the money
$26.67 per tourney, a bit below my average.
37.5% cash %(almost exactly average for me.)

[Daliman]

played 31 more tonight, my standings now after 79 SNG's
11 firsts
6 seconds
13 thirds
49 OOM
$35.63 per tourney
38% cashing.

[Peter Harris]

Well, i lost $40 on my first 10 10+1s
broke even on my second 10
and in my third ten I made $50!!!

A mix of PL and NL. i have given up on limit.

1st: 2
3rd: 3
4th: 1
5th: 1
6th: 2
10th: 1

ITM: 50% ROI: 31.88%
Profit $50, overall +$10
Overall ITM: 33%, Overall ROI 3%!! [need to work on these]

My problem over the first 20 and the 10th place is my "desire" to "police" the table in a 'i know how to play there and you don't ergo my AK will beat your pair' in the early stages.

I have gotten over this conceit to reap reward. now to keep building on that 3% ROI!!!

Onwards and hopefully upwards,
Peter Harris

[Sheriff Fatman]

I decided to use this as an excuse to move up from $30+3 to $50+5 games. So far, I'm glad I did.

20 played, 14.47 hours total:
1st - 4
2nd - 5
3rd - 2
4th - 3
Other - 6
Net profit $850
ROI - 77.3%
In the money - 55%
Win rate $58.74/hr

I'm under no illusions that this is not sustainable and that I'm running good but I certainly have benefitted from the 200 extra starting chips. I've been mostly playing 1 at a time, along with a couple of 3/6 ring games. Ironically, the good SnG run has coincided with an appalling run in the the ring games (bad cards and bad play!) The one time I 2-tabled the SnG's I got a 8th place (my worst placing yet) to go with my 2nd so I'm sticking to 1 at a time for now.

I await the reversal in fortune!!

Sheriff

[Daliman]

i get by fine with 18 buyins, and have never gone broke with it(but i've been close!)

[Daliman]

Final #'s
13 firsts
8 seconds
17 thirds
62 OOM's
38% cash rate, a tiny bit above average
$3100 profit. A bit above average also.

A pretty average run for me.

For the record, my best 100 run, looking back is
18 firsts
16 seconds
19 thirds
For a profit of $13700
During this same run, i had a stretch of 26 tourneys where i had 7 wins, 6 seconds, and 7 thirds,for a healty $300.38 per tourney average and 147% ROI(livable) and my record for most cashes in a row is 9, wins in a row is 3.

[k000k]

[ QUOTE ]
played 31 more tonight

[/ QUOTE ]
31 in one day, thats highly insane... If I had those numbers, I'd quit my job and play SnG's for a living.

Anyway, it took me a month to finish 20, all NL on Pacific, 9x 5 player tournys and 11x 10 player ones:

1st: 3
2nd: 6
3rd: 1
OTM: 10

ITM: 50%
ROI: 18%

The 5 player tournys drag my ROI down quite a bit since they only pay 1/2 the prize. However I place in 6/9 of em, vs 4/11 in the 10 player variety.

[Peter Harris]

Oh yeahhhhhhhhhhhh. After the 10 above, i said it was atypical. Who can i trick into thinking these were?!

Mix of PL/NL
1st: 4
2nd: 1

5th: 1
6th: 1
7th: 2
10th:1
some suckouts in the KO's. still suffer, however, from my desire to police sometimes.

ITM: 50% ROI: unreasonably high 109% /images/graemlins/smile.gif
Profit: $120, overall $130
Overall ITM: 40%, overall ROI 29.5% (bit better, an increase of 26.5% in 10 SNGs!)

10 more to the halfway point. Thanks to Tommy for starting this thread, or it'd have taken months for me to devote time and mind to SNG's!!!

To the next ten, cheers!
Pete Harris

[Sheriff Fatman]

This thread seems to have gone quiet - anyone else still doing this challenge?

I've just finished my 40th 50+5 and, as expected, the flying start from the 1st 20 has corrected itself to some extent.

Summary of the second 20:
1st - 1
2nd - 4
3rd - 3
4th - 4
Other - 8
ITM% 40%
ROI - A measly 4.5%

Biggest problem has been getting 1st places once in the money - I won 1 out of 5 heads up games. In many cases I had the best of it when going all-in but its still a poor statistic and can't all be put down to suckouts. I think I'll do some more analysis and maybe post some of the troublesome hands.

Bubble finishes have also been a frustration and 4th is my second most frequent finish position behind 2nd place. Very much the statistics of a 'nearly man'!

Overall stats after 40 SnGs:
1st - 5
2nd - 9
3rd - 5
4th - 7 (ugh!)
Other - 14
Net profit $900
ROI - 40.9%
Win rate - $32.57 p/h

I'm still enjoying these much more than the 30+3's. The extra starting chips are definitely making a difference and the standard of play isn't much different. The good players are easy to spot (and there are a few more of them around as you'd expect) but there are still enough bad players to make these games worthwhile.

Hopefully, an improvement to come in the next 20! How's everyone else doing?

Sheriff