ENOUGH

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Believe it or not, I am not particularly happy about all this discussion re: the integrity of online casinos, mostly because I don't know a damn thing about any of you. If TJ Cloutier told me that he knew that online casinos were square, it would mean something to me. So I have posted my last response on the two threads that have developed.

There is one thing I am curious about , though, which surfaced during this 'discussion'. One poster said that if I am peddling the nuts, it's not a good way to play.

Now this came as a big shock to me because I thought that that's what I am supposed to be doing as I get started at the lower buy-in NL tables. I have described my style here enough times - for those of you who don't believe I play this way, I beg of you - PLEASE don't respond. I am asking this question of the few posters here who were civil enough to tell me what they had to say politely, even though it may have been negative.

Am I making a mistake in playing in the way that has been described on these threads countless times? How many times have I read bad beat posts by newbies here only to hear the same thing - play tight, don't chase, don't try to bluff very much because you will get called, and peddle the nuts to the fish out there who will buy them for $25 a hand or $50 a hand or whatever buy-in you happen to be playing.

My cred is obviously shot to hell here and I don't expect much out of this post but just in case anyone wants to comment I would appreciate it. As I have tried to make clear - I am willing to admit that I am wrong - I have to do it all the time in my work. If my losses are a result of a mistaken approach to play, I would change. I just don't see how this could be, because as I have said, I GET THE CALLS I WANT - ALL THE TIME. I just can't get the pot when all the cards have fallen.

[jmark]

You could probably post this in the NL forum and get more advice. As far as I know, nut peddling works well in the $25 NL. But it might depend on your definition of "the nuts". There are plenty of times when a pot sized bet even if you missed the flop will buy you the pot.

PS I didn't know you knew TJ Cloutier

[strategem]

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You could probably post this in the NL forum and get more advice. As far as I know, nut peddling works well in the $25 NL. But it might depend on your definition of "the nuts". There are plenty of times when a pot sized bet even if you missed the flop will buy you the pot.

PS I didn't know you knew TJ Cloutier

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lol... yeah, TJ and I go way back

I hate to constantly contradict the experienced players here, of which I am sure you are one... the only thing is, I find that I can very rarely make people fold to me. Even with big bets. They will just call. This is part of the reason that I try to play tight at these tables, especially at Party. I have found that for me, bluffing doesn't work very well at these tables, but I am sure that as a better player, your table image is well constructed and people will show you more respect than they will me.

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People just arent going to fold at low limits. At least they dont on party. If the flop is A3Kr, the guy with the three and the one with the JT may well be at the river hoping for another 3 or a Q and if they do your AK is going down. If you bet and everyone folds change tables. I have had succesful bluffs on party but it better be a very scarry board, and no one better have anything and the pot better be less than a buck. I'm not an experienced player, but I have gained a lot from this site. So take it for what its worth.

[TimM]

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I have found that for me, bluffing doesn't work very well at these tables, but I am sure that as a better player, your table image is well constructed and people will show you more respect than they will me.

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I only play limit, but I found, after "running bad" (break even) for over a month, that I was really just being too aggressive for these players (party 2/4 and 3/6). I had started to add more aggression to my game in March, based on all of the reading and SS forum lurking I had been doing. Image doesn't matter much since the players who will be spoiling your steal attempts and semi-bluffs are the ones who would never notice how you play. Check Poker Essays (v1), the chapter on image - this really helped me realize what was going on.