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Matty

05-10-2004, 06:32 PM

I suppose I should have raised this pre-flop:

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Preflop: Grey is UTG+1 with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, Grey calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO (Mounds) calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif (7 players) 
SB checks, BB checks, Grey bets, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Mounds calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: (5 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players) 
Grey bets, Mounds raises, Button folds, Grey 3-bets, Mounds caps, Grey calls.

River: (13 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players) 
Grey bets, Mounds raises, Grey 3-bets, Mounds caps, Grey calls.

Final Pot: 21 BB
Main Pot: 21 BB, between Grey and Mounds. > Pot won by Grey (21 BB).

Results in white below: 
Grey shows Qc Ac (flush, ace high).
Mounds shows Kc 4c (flush, king high).
Outcome: Grey wins 21 BB. 

A few hands later, I'm the one without the nuts:

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Preflop: Grey is SB with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif. MP3 posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 (poster) checks, CO calls, Button calls, Grey completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players) 
Grey bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players) 
Grey bets, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Grey calls.

River: (11.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players) 
Grey checks, BB bets, UTG+1 calls, Grey calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB
Main Pot: 14.50 BB, between Grey, BB and UTG+1. > Pot won by Grey (14.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
Grey shows Js 7s (flush, queen high).
BB shows Qd Qh (three of a kind, queens).
UTG+1 shows Kc 6d (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Grey wins 14.50 BB. 

Should I have reraised the turn to see where I stood?

bakku

05-10-2004, 06:34 PM

Hand 1: Easy raise PF, the rest is fine

Hand 2: 3-bet the turn and call down if it's capped

Shalara

05-10-2004, 07:25 PM

Hand 1: I'd raise pre-flop, then go hog-wild. Perfect play on your part, though the raise would have helped /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Hand 2: Ugh. I have this same problem sometimes. You must bet the flush on the turn, or you may be giving a lone A or K a shot at the nuts. At the same time, it could already be out there. I would just call the raise too. True, there are only two higher flushes out there, but your re-raise isn't going to do much here except cost you money if you're betting into a higher one. I would play it the same way.

Curious as to what others say on this one.

bakku

05-10-2004, 07:31 PM

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True, there are only two higher flushes out there, but your re-raise isn't going to do much here except cost you money if you're betting into a higher one.

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What if you're betting into a lower flush, two pair, or a set? I think a 3-bet on the turn is mandatory.

B Dids

05-10-2004, 07:34 PM

1- Yeah- raise that preflop.

2- I think you have to raise, if that wasn't a face card I'd fell better about calling down, but that could just easily be somebody who hit his queen.

ThrillFactor

05-10-2004, 08:28 PM

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Hand 2: Ugh. I have this same problem sometimes. You must bet the flush on the turn, or you may be giving a lone A or K a shot at the nuts. At the same time, it could already be out there. I would just call the raise too. True, there are only two higher flushes out there, but your re-raise isn't going to do much here except cost you money if you're betting into a higher one. I would play it the same way.

Curious as to what others say on this one.

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Ugh is right. You cannot allow yourself to think like this - STOP LOOKING FOR MONSTERS! Once in a very blue moon they will be out there. The rest of the time you will more than make up for the 2 or 3 extra bets you loose that one time.

MUST RERAISE THE TURN!

edit: especially with the third player coming along for the ride.

Matty

05-10-2004, 08:39 PM

So do you think Mounds played correctly in the first hand?

B Dids

05-10-2004, 09:04 PM

Nope- he should have been pumping his draw on the flop. Between the two of you- the flop should have been capped.

Shalara

05-10-2004, 09:20 PM

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What if you're betting into a lower flush, two pair, or a set? I think a 3-bet on the turn is mandatory.

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You and ThrillFactor both bring up good points. If the raiser caps it after you 3-bet, would you find a river bet still appropriate?

bakku

05-10-2004, 09:22 PM

If he caps it I'd probably just check/call the river

cnfuzzd

05-12-2004, 06:25 PM

I like bisonbison's suggestion of putting a little toy dinosaur next to your monitor, and then repeat to yourself the following. "this is the only monster i see"

peace

john nickle

I named my dinosaur mortimer p frog. he is very cnfuzzd