50-100 hand JA Sucker thought Pokerbabe would like

[Clarkmeister]

50-100. What was once a great game is now terrible and I'm pondering how many more hands before I rack up. J.A. Sucker, Coilean, Terrence Chan and I are all at the table, with at least two internet prop players. I've opened it up a shade and stolen some blinds and no one has looked me up.

I open raise in MP with J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif8 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif on Coilean's big blind. I fully expect to win the blinds. Folded to the SB, one of the internet prop players who IMO is overly aggressive. He calls, Coilean folds. 2 to the flop for 5sbs.

Flop: 8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 7 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 3 /images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB bets, I raise, he 3-bets, I 4-bet, he calls.

Turn: 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif He checks, I bet, he checkraises, I call.

River: T /images/graemlins/spade.gif He bets, I raise.

[cosmo kramer]

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50-100. J.A. Sucker, Coilean, Terrence Chan and I are all at the table,



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Check Please!!!

As for the hand, looks like he had a PP, the fact that he didn't reraise means it's either very big (AA, KK) or small one and hit a set. Nice suckout.

[ZeeJustin]

The game has to be insanely tight for your preflop raise to be correct.

[rigoletto]

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The game has to be insanely tight for your preflop raise to be correct.

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Why? Are you suggesting limping?

[Diplomat]

I am pretty sure that Zee means fold. (and if so, I agree)

-Diplomat

[PassiveCaller]

He did say it was a good game that had become awful and he
"fully expected" to take the blinds down... Seems like an occasional play given the circumstances. At this point this limit is way over my head so tell us more.... heheh

What did you think he had?

[legend42]

It sounds like he has a real hand. Reading through the turn, I put him on JhTh, so I would think a chop might be a possibility. If he had a set, I'd expect him to play it a little slower on the flop (unless flop aggression is standard in that game).

I'm just hoping he didn't have As8s /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Clarkmeister]

Really? /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Clarkmeister]

So I raise, he calls and my one card runner runner straight is good. He flashed 88 for flopped top set vs my flopped top pair. I play goot.

Told you Pokerbabe would love this one. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[andyfox]

Well, you played goot on the river. That's all that counts, in the end, isn't it?

[Clarkmeister]

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Well, you played goot on the river. That's all that counts, in the end, isn't it?

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Theoretical profit doesn't spend very well.

[DcifrThs]

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I open raise in MP with J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 8 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif on Coilean's big blind. I fully expect to win the blinds. Folded to the SB, one of the internet prop players who IMO is overly aggressive. He calls, Coilean folds. 2 to the flop for 5sbs.

Flop: 8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 7 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 3 /images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB bets, I raise, he 3-bets, I 4-bet, he calls.

Turn: 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif He checks, I bet, he checkraises, I call.

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clark, what in the world did you put him on, on the turn? is he REALLY this aggressive with worse than what you have? didn't you say he was a prop player meaning that he isn't planning on getting involved without something pretty decent?

what about the cap on the flop? why did you cap there?

i guess i just don't see a tight player, WHO IS A PROP, get out of line like this in the game you describe. i mean seriously, if he is as you say he is you know he's got a big one here on the flop. the call is interesting though preflop...why not 3 bet? sounds like he has a small pocket pair and just hit his set, probably 33. its likely that he MAY start opening up and 3betting your constant raises (or relatively constant raises) with 88, or 77. plus you have an 8 AND there's an 8 on board so i think he hit his set of 3s, although 7s isn't out of the question but 8's looks like a long shot.

either way, 8's, 7's 3's you're in trouble after the flop.

why did you give him so much action?
-Barron

[SinCityGuy]

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why did you give him so much action?


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Perhaps the answer lies in Clarkmeister's original post. He had commented on how bad the game had gotten. After this showdown, I'll bet it got at least a little bit better.

[J.A.Sucker]

The game was pretty freaking tight, and I think that Clark's play was actually not that bad. There was probably a 20% chance of stealing the blinds. If he were in later position, then this play would actually be worse, since people would wise up to his ways. Also, if he gets called, and shows it down, this can only be good for the game, because he's playing J8s for crissake!!! Then, Clark will revert to his tightie McWhitey ways and crush those who don't know what he was doing.

Play on the turn was bad. I would check behind, since I would figure that was why I 4 bet that flop. However, one could make the arguement that betting the turn is OK because this guy was overaggressive (ironically, I would play all of these "shorthanded specialists" in a shorthanded game, but that's a whole other issue). Once checkraised, I'm shutting it down, though.

Clark's bet on the turn is even better when you consider that he knew the straight was coming, which it did, of course. This is why he plays good and gets a nice new ride, and I'm bumming a ride to the airport from Tommy since I can't afford the cab.

Ni han.

Trip report coming, maybe today.

[mike l.]

"and I think that Clark's play was actually not that bad"

who said it was??? oh man im glad i didnt read the other posts, ill be sure not to thanks for warning me. what a headache that'd be.

"Also, if he gets called, and shows it down, this can only be good for the game, because he's playing J8s for crissake!!! Then, Clark will revert to his tightie McWhitey ways and crush those who don't know what he was doing.'

fancy that! ill have to write that idea down in my play book and give it a go sometime.

"Once checkraised, I'm shutting it down, though."

as in folding? youre kidding i hope.

[J.A.Sucker]

No, I'm not folding there. I'm just very tired today and actually recalled Clark 3 betting the turn and getting 4 bet or something. When I wrote my response, I realized that the action on the turn only went to 2 bets, and I only corrected it in one part and not the other. This is why one shouldn't post with a melted brain. Forgive me, mike. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Tosh]

If there something to be said for checking the turn ? A check raise is pretty annoying here, I can't see the pot being won on the turn.

[J.A.Sucker]

Checking is the best course of action, as I said in my original post. That's why I would 4 bet the flop.

My point of confusion is if I were to have bet and get checkraised, it would be bad, and I'd be best to suck out, as Clark did masterfully.

[Tosh]

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Checking is the best course of action, as I said in my original post. That's why I would 4 bet the flop.

My point of confusion is if I were to have bet and get checkraised, it would be bad, and I'd be best to suck out, as Clark did masterfully.

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Sorry I only read a couple of replies, didn't know you had already said that.

[Pipedream]

Wow Clarky I'm overaggressive? I thought you overplayed the hand insanely. You put in the most amount of money in with the worst hand and seemed totally oblivious as to what I held. In all honesty I would love you in my game every time and I don't say that to be a dick. I thought you all would be a lot tougher than that. It's definately not that easy on the site I prop for.

By the way, just for the record, it's very rude to talk and laugh about a suckout after you make one such as that. I know you all probably thought it was a real hoot to runner runner a guy, but I thought you acted a litter unprofessionally after as did your comrades.

Pipedream

[TheArtist]

I had a chance to watch this game for a bit. My friend(short asian guy)sat down and play with you guys for a bit. What a tough table.

With no disrespect, but didn't the guy with 88(which happen to be my friend too) here play his hand perfectly?

TheArtist

[PokerBabe(aka)]

Clark, you are cute but stubborn. This hand is frightening. Gamble on.

LGPG,

Babe /images/graemlins/heart.gif

[nykenny]

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I had a chance to watch this game for a bit. My friend(short asian guy)sat down and play with you guys for a bit. What a tough table.

With no disrespect, but didn't the guy with 88(which happen to be my friend too) here play his hand perfectly?

TheArtist

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Yes.

[Clarkmeister]

"By the way, just for the record, it's very rude to talk and laugh about a suckout after you make one such as that. I know you all probably thought it was a real hoot to runner runner a guy, but I thought you acted a litter unprofessionally after as did your comrades. "

So? I was there to have fun and sucking out is fun, especially in a $1,450 pot right before one is about to pick up and continue drinking elsewhere. Other than a brief chuckle with Sucker, I did virtually all of my discussion about it away from the table. "Unprofessionally"?? I find that amusing and I guess one would have to have been there to understand why, but it makes sense given how serious your demeanor was at the table. This is poker, it isn't the 18th green at the Masters. Lighten up a little.

[DcifrThs]

clark you are a dangerous man when you're drinking and playing.

but i thought you saved the drinking for the 4-8 at the bay. as coilean said that night, "i wouldn't touch the 40 game with a ten foot pole"

so why would you play the 50 game drinking? was he drinking? if so that must have been the most exciting 50 game ever lol. description of reality notwithstanding.
-Barron

[Clarkmeister]

"as coilean said that night, "i wouldn't touch the 40 game with a ten foot pole"

We lied apparently. Coyleen was there and he was drinking too. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Pipedream]

My approach to the game must be different from yours. I don't play for fun or chuckles. I play for money, that is all. You may play for partly money and partly fun, that's your choice. I don't find poker fun but I find it rewarding mentally and financially. My suggestion is you don't drink at all when you play as you tend to make some rather poor decisions at the table. The funny part is, when you guys left, the game broke.

Pipedream

[CrackerZack]

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My approach to the game must be different from yours. I don't play for fun or chuckles. I play for money, that is all. You may play for partly money and partly fun, that's your choice. I don't find poker fun but I find it rewarding mentally and financially.

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Sounds like a fun way to go through life. And the bitterness really comes through. Poker is fun, drinking is fun, drinking and playing poker is fun. I'm usually reserved and apologetic when I bad beat someone but if their an uber-nit, obnoxious or just all around miserable, then its always so much more fun to laugh it up with my friends. If someone is gonna sit there and be miserable, it sure is fun to help them have a reason to be that way.

[DcifrThs]

The only part of this philosophy i disagree with or question is drinking and partying it up at a 50 game.

the best few hundred i ever lost at a poker table was getting wasted with "coyleean" (colon right?) and dr. clark at the mandalay bay's 4/8.

i mean we were really screwing with people's heads. players sat down and then left soon after b/c the just "didn't get it" and couldn't imagine how coilean thought K2o was a 3betting hand. we were the producers but imagine playing like that when you can actually drop 5grand.

i wouldn't be comfortable with that and it surprises me that coily and clark are. but hey, they're two great guys who like to have fun and if they're fine with it more power to 'em.

so, guys, next time i'm in vegas i'll be sure to bring extra money to follow you're drinking/playing around and pick up all the loose chips spewing from your person lol.

take care,
-Barron

[Pipedream]

Well I was serious at the table Zack, not miserable. And I don't go through life being serious, just most of the time playing poker is all. I enjoy having fun with friends and drinkin some booze and goin to the titty bars. I just don't act that way at the table. Is that really such a big deal?

Pipedream

[Clarkmeister]

"My suggestion is you don't drink at all when you play as you tend to make some rather poor decisions at the table."

You suppose that my motivation is always the same as yours. Hence your very amusing "it was unprofessional" comment when 95% of the discussion about the hand took place away from the table. Besides, to win a $1,450 pot you must build a $1,450 pot.

"The funny part is, when you guys left, the game broke."

I'll allow Sucker to elaborate, he left at least 30 minutes after I did. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[J.A.Sucker]

Against this opponent, it would have been insanely profitable to actually needle him more! A few high-fives would have been outstanding, and really would have set him off "to get his money back." For the record, I don't ever usually say anything disrespectful to my opponents, but in this case would have been tremendous.

Edit: I didn't realize that YOU were this guy at the time when I made this initial post. That just makes my point doubly true; anyone who would publicly criticize a player on an internet forum for being a moron is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

[JTG51]

Is that really such a big deal?

That pretty much sums up the this whole controversy, doesn't it?

[Ulysses]

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The funny part is, when you guys left, the game broke.

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I was at the next table over and from what I saw, the game seemed to go strong all the way up until JA Sucker cashed out.

[J.A.Sucker]

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My approach to the game must be different from yours. I don't play for fun or chuckles.

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I'm a miserable SOB who just doesn't "get it."

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I play for money, that is all. You may play for partly money and partly fun, that's your choice. I don't find poker fun but I find it rewarding mentally and financially.

[/ QUOTE ]

I have no clue as to how to play live poker, and on the internet I can just turn off my chat box and continue to click buttons while surfing internet porn.

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My suggestion is you don't drink at all when you play as you tend to make some rather poor decisions at the table. The funny part is, when you guys left, the game broke.

Pipedream

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Actually, the game didn't break when Clark left. Here's how it actually went down: Coileen and Clark went to cash out and were gathering with others to head over to the Strip for some drunken fun. I (sober) continued to play, and planned on playing for awhile. The game was full of you and your friends, a bunch of overaggressive, shorthanded "internet" players. The ironic thing is that I remember saying at the time that I'd play every single one of you guys headsup (Clark will verfiy this). In any event, I played for about 30 minutes, and the collection came. We paid a time pot, and then those guys convinced me to leave. I played one round (5 minutes of poker) and cashed out. The game then broke immediately. I guess that this proves that I was the live one.

[Pipedream]

Nah, it wouldn't faze me. I don't get all that emotional about rough beats. I mean, they sting pretty bad but it doesn't last. I admit they hurt more live because you have to wait so darn long to get another playable hand. Online another hand is there in the blink of an eye.

Pipedream

[Pipedream]

Wow, someone's trying to get insulting. Save it. By the way I wish you would have brought the headsup thing up at the table. We all would have loved to get a crack at your money. If you're really serious, PM me and we can arrange something live or online.

Pipedream

[Ulysses]

I would like front row seats for this, please.

[DanS]

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the best few hundred i ever lost at a poker table was getting wasted with "coyleean" (colon right?) and dr. clark at the mandalay bay's 4/8. ]

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That's funny. The best $150 I ever won was in that very same game! What are the chances??? lol

Dan

[Clarkmeister]

I am running good. How good? Read on:

So about 3 weeks ago I get a private message from someone I didn’t recognize. It nicely asks if I could advise where to play as the sender was coming to Vegas in about 2 weeks. As is my wont with PM’s, I didn’t have time to get to it right away, and with the sender not coming for another two weeks and several recent forum threads on the topic, I figured I could get back to it in a few days.

The very next day, I receive the following PM:

"Thanks for getting back to me……oh wait, you didn’t."

Now I thought that took some balls. I mean, he’s so lazy that he can’t bother to look at several recent threads on it, he’s asking me for a favor, and he has the nerve to send me that response a mere 24 hours after sending his question? I decided to send a rather low-key response, so I sent back something like:

"I usually don’t get back to PM’s right away. Besides, last I checked its only one day after your message and you aren’t leaving for 2 weeks."

To which the poster responded with:

"Last I checked you can suck my balls you cocky bitch."

I concluded the exchange with "well, that’s certainly not going to get you the information you want." And left it at that. I even responded helpfully to some of his posts a few days later. I certainly thought the poster was way out of line.

Then 2.5 weeks later I am in a 50-100 game with Sucker, Coyleen, Terrence Chan (with whom I hadn’t talked in a long time). It takes a while to get going (which is a funny story unto itself). The game is great, but eventually it gets tight as the 3 livest ones all leave. I am introducing Terrence to Coyleen and Sucker at the table. It is obvious to anyone what my name is.

I am ready to leave when the hand at the beginning of this thread comes up. It apparently is played against a poster who not only knew who we were at the time, he didn’t even bother to say "hi" either at or away from the table. On top of that, while at the table he was the ultimate "I take poker real seriously" guy.

Fortunately, I am running good and I win a sweet $1,450 pot with runner runner against this poster who was sitting in the game with me....right before I want to leave anyways.

But I’m running even better than that. How? Pipedream is not only the guy I sucked out on, he’s the guy who sent me the "Last I checked you can suck my balls you cocky bitch" private message.

The poker gods do indeed have a great sense of humor. Suck it.

[coolhandkuhn]

Clark,
Very nice story --- It's always nice to be around to see karma work its magic. /images/graemlins/smile.gif And as a sidenote: thanks for all your great posts (and your work at digging up older posts that I missed the first time around) --- truly insightful stuff. This forum would be a whole lot weaker without you.

[SinCityGuy]

[ QUOTE ]
So about 3 weeks ago I get a private message from someone I didn’t recognize. It nicely asks if I could advise where to play as the sender was coming to Vegas in about 2 weeks.

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Maybe you should finally get around to responding to his PM. You can tell him that you know of a good 50/100 game.

[Ulysses]

Hey, are you guys UB support staff? Did you guys move over to the 2-5NL after the 50 game broke?

[Clarkmeister]

Correct on the UB thing.

[Jason Strasser]

Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

[DcifrThs]

lol. well considering you (and did jesse eventually sit?) just took our money it wasn't that hard for ya.

plus, where did you hide that $150? i must have gotten it confused with the 10 racks you had in front of you for show and tell.

-Barron

[offTopic]

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Pipedream is not only the guy I sucked out on, he’s the guy who sent me the "Last I checked you can suck my balls you cocky bitch" private message.

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Heh. And I thought you had to be 21 to play in a live cardroom.

[DcifrThs]

i'm a little lost. for those who can't tell by the posts or haven't met david clark its very hard for me to imagine how somebody could respond to clark like this.

he happens to be one of the most outgoing genuine funloving guys there are. hell, he puts up with coilean picking him off with queen high in the 40 game right?

i've been traveling my entire life. to all but 1 continent (i don't think i really want to go to antarctica though), and have developed a very strong trust in my gut feeling about people. clark is good people. and he'll be the first to tell you i've really only spent a very brief period of time with him.

in any case, don't mind the haters, clark, thats what they do: they hate. you love (to drink) so buzz on buddy. and like i said to FSU, next time im in vegas i'll be following your drunk ass around with a bucket /images/graemlins/wink.gif

take care, man
-Barron

[oddjob]

[ QUOTE ]
But I’m running even better than that. How? Pipedream is not only the guy I sucked out on, he’s the guy who sent me the "Last I checked you can suck my balls you cocky bitch" private message.

The poker gods do indeed have a great sense of humor. Suck it.

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wow, talk about the ultimate in comeupence. i found this whole tread to be quite amusing. hopefully someday i'll be able to play some jackass drunken poker with you in vegas. but not at that level. more like $4/8.

[Gamblor]

I've played with pipedream (he was on my left /images/graemlins/mad.gif) in a 50-100 game recently and he seemed like a good guy.

Perhaps it's a misunderstanding. Perhaps not.

[Pipedream]

If dragging that pot made you that thrilled, you obviously need the money for that I do. Good sweep. By the way I didn't know it was you until days after the game. Lick it.

Pipedream

[Ulysses]

Do you want Clark to suck your balls or lick it or both?

[andyfox]

Feh.

[mike l.]

fwiw ive played with clarkmeister and he's always a cock and he sucks out w/ trash hands like crazy. in other words he's just like me.

[Gamblor]

Probably the most valid criticism of this thread.

[Ulysses]

You should play no-limit against him. Then you can raise him $1000 and shut that trap of his.

[elysium]

hi clark
i don't know here. you really bet into him, that's for sure. i'm not crazy about the river raise clark. it just looks too aggressive, and yes i emphasize looks. i'm not sure.

your posts always seem to baffle me. i've never gotten a single one of your posts right. ever. eh, i know you. yes, i've learned lots about you over the last two years. but it's a lot like learning a lot about kant. 'philosophical kant' has been sitting there in the library for years. i knew it once as a goodly book of good color. it was positioned there between time life's 'epic of man' and 'archeological schwartz'. blueish, green, and orange, like that. i liked the kant green. it made a good library, artsy like, colorful against blue man.

but then one day i read kant black and white. and when i returned kant into its place again after reading, kant began to clash. no matter where i placed him in the library, he clashed. and then i realized; the more i knew about kant, the more completely wrong everything was.

i want to say your opponent shows down a set. the black and white of it is that he shows down AK unimproved. am i wrong? yes. of course. but i still say you have good color.

[Ulysses]

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i want to say your opponent shows down a set.

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Clark is not Kant. Just go with your instinct, elysium! So nice to see you back in action!

[Clarkmeister]

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Is this RGP?

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No. This is like WAY funnier.

[Clarkmeister]

"hell, he puts up with coilean picking him off with queen high in the 40 game right?"

Hey! That was *me* picking *him* off. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Clarkmeister]

"he seemed like a good guy. "

I was fine with the guy until the "you can suck my balls you cocky bitch" part. At that point, I decided he probabaly shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt.

[Clarkmeister]

[ QUOTE ]
fwiw ive played with clarkmeister and he's always a cock and he sucks out w/ trash hands like crazy. in other words he's just like me.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just like you? *shudder*

[Clarkmeister]

[ QUOTE ]
You should play no-limit against him. Then you can raise him $1000 and shut that trap of his.

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He's too scared to make it down this weekend while I still have Pipedream's money to toss around. And next week I'll be out of town, so he's really missing out on a golden opportunity.

[Coilean]

I wouldn't touch a 40 game with a ten foot pole when I am half stoned and working on a dozen beers. Getting a second beer an orbit or 2 before I plan on heading to the Monte Carlo to get smashed in a 4-8 game isn't quite the same thing /images/graemlins/wink.gif.

[Gamblor]

He's too scared to make it down this weekend while I still have Pipedream's money to toss around. And next week I'll be out of town,

Way to take the high road.

Actually, given pipedream's PM, any road is the high road.

[DcifrThs]

then maybe next time i get to vegas i need to follow BOTH you AND clark around with my trusty bucket after you two have had your share of drinks /images/graemlins/wink.gif

seriuosly though, i'm sure it would in no way shape or form be THAT easy lol.

-Barron

[Coilean]

You hit the nail on the head, Clark did overplay the hand insanely given your holding, which is what made it so funny. No one was laughing at you, we were laughing at Clark because he put in so many bets with way the worst of it and somehow wound up with the chips anyway, something that we have all been on the other end of many times. I believe my comment at the time was a snort of disbelief followed by "That was a good one", meant only as an icebreaker for the encroaching moment of silent distress. I think it's usually more "professional" to laugh at the absurdities of the game and try to make light of the bad beats than it is to have everyone at the table stewing in silence, but my apologies for clearly failing at it this time. Some of my best times playing poker have been when I am taking some absurd beats, but am still able to joke about them and get others to laugh with me. Probably not coincidentally, I also seem to get even a lot more often those times than the times I just sit and silently stew about my misfortunes.

[DcifrThs]

yea yea one picks off the other, world goes turn turn and sun sets lol

next time i'll be sure to get it right.
-Barron

[DcifrThs]

glad to hear your judgement is catching up with your ability /images/graemlins/wink.gif lol

-Barron

[Pipedream]

That is very gentlemanly of you Coilean, thank you. You're clearly the class of the bunch. I do hope Clark bought you all some drinks and lap dances with my money though. Can't let it go to waste. I honestly did not know who the three of you were when I sat down or else I would have said something. Then at least I could tell Clark to suck my balls in person, heh.

Pipedream

[rigoletto]

[ QUOTE ]
That is very gentlemanly of you Coilean, thank you. You're clearly the class of the bunch. I do hope Clark bought you all some drinks and lap dances with my money though. Can't let it go to waste. I honestly did not know who the three of you were when I sat down or else I would have said something. Then at least I could tell Clark to suck my balls in person, heh.

Pipedream

[/ QUOTE ]

I allways figured that has to happen in person!

[MaxPower]

I understand what you are saying. You are a much better player than Clark and you want him in your game as much as possible. Clark has no chance of keeping his money in the long run against you. He gets a kick out of sucking out just like the typical live one.

You also are saying that Clark shouldn't have fun when he is playing poker. He shouldn't drink and have a good time.

My question is, if he cannot win money and he cannot have fun, why should he play against you at all? What is in it for him?

[sfer]

[ QUOTE ]
My question is, if he cannot win money and he cannot have fun, why should he play against you at all? What is in it for him?

[/ QUOTE ]

Oral sex, apparently.