06-29-2002, 03:12 PM
When should a player be betting either:
A) flopped 4-flush draws to the nuts and
B) flopped open-ended straight draws (assumong their is no pair or two flush on the board)?
The factors I would consider are:
-the number of opponents (the if heads up or more than three opponents I would be more inclined to bet)
-the table (weak/passive or aggressive),
-my position (in LP I may buy a free card but in EP I may drive out other players but can also attempt a check-raise)
-was there a pre-flop raiser (because they may likely bet it for me or raise if I bet and drive out other players),
-where that pre-flop raiser is in position to me (if the pre-flop raiser is next to act, my bet and his/her raise forces everyone else to call two bets, but if the pre-flop raiser is on the button when I am in EP, my bet may be called by other players before the pre-flop raiser bets again, making it more likely that the players in between will call one more bet).
I am typically confused by this situation because a bet (semi-bluff) will sweeten the pot when I win, build a larger pot to make it correct for me to see the river, buy me a free card and/or allow me to show strength and perhaps win the hand without a showdown if I miss.
However, a bet may also drive out players who may become tied to the pot if the turn helps them, allow me to get out cheaply when I miss, and prevent me from being re-raised and isolated.
I know with each draw I am about 2:1 to make it by the river and approximately 5:1 on the turn and river, so does that mean a bet is automatic if there are more than three players unless I can reasonably expect someone else to bet it for me (such as a pre-flop raiser) and would like to:
1) go for a check-raise or
2) think that the other players would call one bet but not two?
A) flopped 4-flush draws to the nuts and
B) flopped open-ended straight draws (assumong their is no pair or two flush on the board)?
The factors I would consider are:
-the number of opponents (the if heads up or more than three opponents I would be more inclined to bet)
-the table (weak/passive or aggressive),
-my position (in LP I may buy a free card but in EP I may drive out other players but can also attempt a check-raise)
-was there a pre-flop raiser (because they may likely bet it for me or raise if I bet and drive out other players),
-where that pre-flop raiser is in position to me (if the pre-flop raiser is next to act, my bet and his/her raise forces everyone else to call two bets, but if the pre-flop raiser is on the button when I am in EP, my bet may be called by other players before the pre-flop raiser bets again, making it more likely that the players in between will call one more bet).
I am typically confused by this situation because a bet (semi-bluff) will sweeten the pot when I win, build a larger pot to make it correct for me to see the river, buy me a free card and/or allow me to show strength and perhaps win the hand without a showdown if I miss.
However, a bet may also drive out players who may become tied to the pot if the turn helps them, allow me to get out cheaply when I miss, and prevent me from being re-raised and isolated.
I know with each draw I am about 2:1 to make it by the river and approximately 5:1 on the turn and river, so does that mean a bet is automatic if there are more than three players unless I can reasonably expect someone else to bet it for me (such as a pre-flop raiser) and would like to:
1) go for a check-raise or
2) think that the other players would call one bet but not two?