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William
05-05-2004, 09:02 PM
As somebody else pointed out, I do have most of my fights at the zoo.

I guess it's because most of the weirdos I fight against live in the zoo and rarely post somewhere else. There is lot's of interesting stuff over there too, and I am in excellent terms with most people, but some others...

The reason why I get into so many conflicts is probably because I hate hypocresy and whenever I see it around me, I make a sarcastic comment. I hate stupidity as well and am just as straightforward with it.

I am an intelligent person. You don't know much about me, but before poker, I have done/played many things, reaching world class, world/european champion several times.

Most of the times I know what I talk about. I make as anybody else, many mistakes and if I don't realize it myself the moment I make them, I more than welcome criticism, as it is a way for me to improve. However, if you are disagreable to me, you better be right when you point my mistakes out, because if your not I will earth you in return.

I have a very sick form of humor, I will give you that, and if you don't owe yourself a good dosis of it, you will never understand me and will hate me from the very beginning. That doesn't bother me, as I wouldn't be interested in making your aquaintance any way, but those that I consider worthy of my friendship and that accept me and understand me can always count on me.

I don't like vulgar people, dirty language and that kind. I believe that lies and the like will always be discovered at some point, and when they are, it ruins that person's image, There are several examples of that in this forum. I will not mention names, but the ones that are concerned know I am talking about them.

I have learned a lot from this forum and I mean both poker and human relations.
I bother to post because I know how difficult it is to get answers to your questions when it comes to poker. I know how frustrating it was for me in the beginning, when others were only interested in my money. Remember that where I live poker is mostly played undergroung. The few casinos we have do spread poker now (it's quite new) but the players are the same. Now they are just forced to behave. So my poker education has been as you see in old movies. Gangsters, bankrobbers and that kind of people. I don't belong myself in that world, but if you wanted to play poker, those are the types you would meet at the tables 10/15 years ago

But talking about poker is not the only reason I enjoy this forum. Over the time I have made quite a few friends here and whenever I log in to play poker it is very enjoyable to "see" my friends in here. Many of my posts have nothing to do with poker, and I often make jokes about other posters and their game; I believe they know I am only joking. Sometimes I respond to newbies in a rude way. That is true. I believe you help more a person by pointing out his mistakes than by encouraging him to continue by saying that he will get better. The sad reality is that most won't and poker is too dangerous and cruel a game to encourage others if you have the feeling that they are not going to make it.
As all games involving money, we are surrounded by cheaters, smart guys and other scum that only thinks about easy and fast profit.
The real challenge for me is to avoid that kind of people and try to enjoy this game among persons I respect. I, as everyone else in this forum, and probably even more as poker is today my only income, want to win, but as long as I am financially secure, money is not the only thing I think about. Whenever I move up in levels with succes, I play less, as it allows me to spend more time doing the things that really matter in my eyes. I guess I could play 10/12 hours a day and make lots of dollars, but I don't really need them, and they will always be out there if I change my mind.

As it was recently written, I might sometimes sound arrogant, but it is just my stile. Life is a competition, and you have to stay ahead of the others if you want to suceed.
The ones I care about, know that they mustn't pay too much attention to that. The rest I don't really care.

Every now and then someone like Fat Nutz pops out from nowhere. Usually it's someone we know that just changes name in order to post his disagreable remarks and stay cowardly anonymous.
I can always find some sarcastic response to his posts, but I can also ignore them. It probably depends in the mood I am.

The downside of this is that it is always possible to take some of my comments and put them out of context, but I hope most will be able to see that.
If I don't like somebody, he gets to know it from me, instantly, not from some vulgar person that is probably caught in a boring and trivial life.

Let me finish by saying that I don't consider you as fishes, even if I sometimes say so.
I do believe that 99.99999% of poker players are losers, but this is the place where that 0.00001% is to be found. Even those who are still small winners or even losing money right now probably have what it takes, but as everything else, it takes some time before it really rolls.

If you are still reading, thank you because you bothered. I know I didn't had to justify myself, but as I do use irony and sarcasm a lot, I thought it would be a good idea to level with everybody.

If you understand my posts, great. I probably enjoy yours too. If you are offended by them and dislike them, you probably are getting what you deserve. It's that simple.

Tim, Doc, Pitcher, thank you to you both for sticking out your necks in my defense.

I have no problem with being hated by some, I know I also have friends and who they are.

William

La Brujita
05-05-2004, 09:22 PM
W,

As you know I consider you a friend and am glad we have met through this forum. You have helped my poker game immensely through both good and bad times. I don't think you have to justify yourself or explain yourself to us.

That being said, I wish, as your friend, that you would spend more time talking poker and joking around, and less time fighting with rude/crazy/mean people on the forums. This is the interent, it is full of crazys and also most of them are probably young and immature.

benfranklin
05-05-2004, 10:05 PM
William--

I am relatively new to this forum, but have already noticed the contributions that many regulars here, including yourself, make to all, especially in sharing your experiences with newer players. And it doesn't take long for anyone with an IQ higher than that of the average halibut to pick up on humor that isn't flagged with a bunch of yellow faces, and that may be a little off-center.

Before the present eruption, I had already noticed a poster named fat_head or no_nutz or something like that was way out of line in his cheap-shot comments about many others on the forum. I was planning to say something about it myself, but now I can do it here. As far as I can see, he has made no contribution to this forum except to contaminate it with his own ill-will, negative attitude, and highly-inflated ego.

I know it will be hard to totally ignore someone like that if he sticks around, but let's not let him turn this place into another rgp. He will probably be gone soon when his parents send him off to summer camp.

Keep up the good work.

AleoMagus
05-06-2004, 12:45 AM
I remember a while ago I made a humorous post about William and his kindergarden of poker comment. I thought it was funny and all the regulars to this forum 'got' the humour and the actual serious points that I was trying to make.

I think that was the first time that I realized just how different people's perceptions can be of these kinds of online conversations. A whole bunch of people sorta tagged along that thread and I even recieved a PM or two saying things like 'Yeah, William sucks!'

Well... Talk about not getting it

Anyone who has been on this site for any amount of time should be able to piece together things about all of us and the relationships that exits between different posters.

Anyone willing to do homework would find things like William offering me good advice about my own poker game and my own progression. Anyone willing to do homework would find me repeatedly refering to him as one of the more influential and praise worthy posters on this board.

Still... I suppose many do not have the same perceptions that we all have because they do not see some of the PM conversations or email correspondences that take place. I hope this just means a few guys like Nutz who are probably imported from the Zoo, but it scares me to think that it could be more. It shouldn't.

Well William, I don't know what to say. I wish you all would have taken that initial advice about ignoring this guy because (I hope) threads like these are totally unecessary. I guess I have better self control (And he actually insulted my homeland! What does maple-syrup-bogarting mean anyways?)

Regards
Brad S

skaboomizzy
05-06-2004, 12:56 AM
Just from the precious little I've seen of your play, I can tell you know what you're doing with a pile of chips in front of you.

I consider myself a "Zoo" member because I've got that kind of sense of humor and I simply don't have the bankroll or time to consider myself a "professional" or even "semi-pro" poker player. I'm a poor working slob who chooses to invest a spare $100 or so into online poker when I can. Luckily I'm about +$500 for the year so far, so it's working out well. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Poker is a sport of sorts to me, so I always try to maintain a sense of sportsmanship to my play. If I'm quiet druing 2+2 games it's because I'm trying not to interrupt anyone's thoughts.

I guess the upshot of this is I've only known you to be a sporting player at the tables, and I respect you as such. Don't worry about anything else.

CrisBrown
05-06-2004, 01:01 AM
Hiya William,

You and I have had our share of tangles, but we've become friends, and I enjoy your company both here and at the tables. Also, frankly, I owe you about $5K, which is what I've taken away from the ring games since You finally got me to play there. (This despite a horrific April.)

I find it distressing that so many people on these forums have nothing to add to conversations except for personal attacks. I've stopped posting on these forums, primarily because I got tired of the personal attacks (as well as some other things that were ... well ... even uglier).

Anyway ... keep your chin up, buddy ... and just be you.

Cris

fat_nutz
05-06-2004, 01:03 AM
William,

Are you gay or just not straight?

-nutz

aslowjoe
05-06-2004, 01:56 AM
I am still very new to poker and this forum. The only other forum that I have ever been a regular(lurker mainly) is a triathlon forum where you soon learn who to take advice from. On this forum I made the same approach. I try to read Williams post and most of the other guys that have replied ahead of many. So William keep posting some of US still need to learn.
Joe

unfrgvn
05-06-2004, 09:10 AM
In terms of using this forum, your comments are a huge -EV play.

Al_Capone_Junior
05-06-2004, 09:51 AM
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I find it distressing that so many people on these forums have nothing to add to conversations except for personal attacks. I've stopped posting on these forums, primarily because I got tired of the personal attacks (as well as some other things that were ... well ... even uglier).


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It is unfortunate that the nasty jerks are almost always FAR more persistent than the good and great posters that they jerks drive from the forums. Some of them get away with remaining on the forums to this day, despite the fact they should have been gone long ago (for the good of the forums).

Is it any wonder I long for the "good ol' days" of the forums, and poker in general, before the boom? 2+2 used to have maybe 5-600 posters, then maybe 1,000 tops. Now it's pushing 8,000? 10,000? It's no wonder that so many posts become a flame fest, devoid of content. It's no wonder that there are exponentially more jerks here now, who are driven in their desire to attack the best writers, nicest and most well adjusted people, and drive the best players from these sites.

I suggest to all, including you Cris, that if you know you should be here, and have something to contribute, to just get a tough skin and say "screw the A-holes, I belong here and they won't drive me away." The jerks will hate you for it, and probably step up their attacks, as they often do to myself and others, but the difference can be that you don't let them win by quitting. If you quit, they just move on to the next good / popular poster and start in on them. If everyone gave in, inevitably these forums would be populated by only the vulture patrol and no one else.

Don't give in to forum-terrorism.

al

PrayingMantis
05-06-2004, 09:53 AM
I'm giving this pathetic idiot 25 more posts, before he disappears again into his oblivious fishiness.
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Anyone for a bet?

Al_Capone_Junior
05-06-2004, 10:23 AM
Maybe your problem is just that you #$%^#$^% bogart all the @#$%^ #$%^& #%$&#$&# maple syrup! Typical! I made some pancakes the other day, but to my dismay, I was all out of syrup! And there were "suspicious" footprints outside my house, leading to the door by the kitchen! Friggin BC'ers! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

al

DougBrennan
05-06-2004, 11:22 AM
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William,

Are you gay or just not straight?

-nutz

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Thanks for your wise and mature contribution. Really adds to the quality of the dialogue. /images/graemlins/mad.gif

Doug

Sheriff Fatman
05-06-2004, 12:52 PM
William

I'm sorry you felt the need to make this post and, to be honest, I've not read the recent threads that have driven you to this.

Suffice it to say that your posts/play have been a key factor in the development of my game. You give a great deal to these boards and, naturally, this makes you a higher profile target for some of the resident trolls. The only advice I can offer is to simply ignore them and allow them to crawl back into their caves when their desperate need for attention is ignored.

You are a person who likes to stir things up a bit from time to time. Most people here recognize the good-natured intentions of your posts and respond accordingly. Some, however, are too stupid to get it, which I guess is where the problems arise.

I hope these events don't lead you to change your posting habits. I trust the respected users of this board enough to know that if ever I said something inappropriate then they would be sure to let me know about it in no uncertain terms. I'm happy to measure my own contributions to the boards by this criteria and I suggest that you do too.

Simply put, I wouldn't worry about a thing unless one of your 'friends' tells you you're out of line. If they ever do then deal with that situation. In the meantime, don't take any 'troll abuse' to heart (as hard as this may be at times) and concentrate on continuing to do what you do best - improving your (and, by default, our) games with your contributions to these boards and making us all want to desperately bring you down a peg or two when it comes to KotZ events /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Sheriff

CrisBrown
05-06-2004, 02:05 PM
Hi Al,

I appreciate your sentiments, and in general I agree with you. Perhaps this past month was a confluence of ugliness: my best friend was ill all month, there was unrelenting deadline pressure, I was catching feast-or-famine hands (i.e.: either big pairs or absolute trash), and to top it all off, a bucketload of sexual harrassment here.

I couldn't change the hands I was dealt. I couldn't make my friend get well immediately. I couldn't duck the book deadline; I did have to finish the book. But I didn't have to post here and open myself up to the kind of trash that was happening.

It's like the Serenity Prayer: "God grant me the patience to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference." Not posting here was one less stressor in an otherwise ugly month, and one thing I could change.

As it turns out, I also took most of the month off from poker. By mid-month I was feeling so beaten up that I knew I was losing whatever edge I might have. I took a week off and came back on a Saturday to try again. Same outcome. Took another week away and came back on another Saturday (I think, it was the last day of the month) ... same outcome. In all, I booked only one (small) winning session for the entire month. So I decided to stop posting here, stay away from poker altogether for awhile, and focus on my friend, the book, and getting myself back onto something of an even emotional keel.

Since I've come back, I've been playing well and haven't had a losing session yet (though I'm sure more will come). My friend is well again. The book is finished. And it feels as if a black cloud has finally moved on....

Cris

AleoMagus
05-06-2004, 02:52 PM
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Oh, so that's what it means...
Yeah, well, we need all that maple syrup to fuel our super secret NHL hockey star potion reactor. We are tired of losing stanley cups to you guys just because you can afford to buy all of our best players so we have injected the entire Calgary Flames team this year.

There is also our notorious crime syndicate (the Tim Horton's group) which has just run a maple promotion in all of their donut stores (which are really just fronts for the tim hortons army)

You are clearly on to us though and should be very afraid. Don't be suprised if you wake one morning to the sweet smell of maple.
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Regards
Brad S

esknights
05-06-2004, 03:05 PM
Sure I'll bet you $50 since unfgvn's reply was to fat nutz and not william. Unless you meant to reply to nutz and not unfgvn.

fat_nutz
05-06-2004, 04:04 PM
God I hate Canadians. You people combine all the worst aspects of British and American cultures--the smarmy conceitedness and hideous looks of the British + that awful north-mid-west American accent. "About" is not pronounced "aboot", quit crowding up against America because no matter how close you get you will never be part of our country until we invade you for your natural resources and syrup. That's right, keep enjoying your cold cucumber sandwiches and scones at the Empress, but know that Canadia's days are numbered.

PrayingMantis
05-06-2004, 04:12 PM

PrayingMantis
05-06-2004, 04:12 PM

PrayingMantis
05-06-2004, 04:17 PM
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Sure I'll bet you $50 since unfgvn's reply was to fat nutz and not william. Unless you meant to reply to nutz and not unfgvn.

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What??? Of course I meant nutz is the pathetic idiot. How could you read it differently?

And BTW, William: as others, I also feel I've learnt a lot from your posts here. Keep posting whatever you feel like posting. Some people will just hate you when you're good at something, no matter what you do. But I'm sure you know that already...

Edit: sorry for the triple post. 2+2 is pretty shaky right now.

Stagemusic
05-07-2004, 09:32 AM
William.

Great post and the title said it all. There are things that just need to be said. And one of them is...

There are posters here that I like, posters here that I respect, posters here that I learn from, posters here that I enjoy playing with, and posters here that I have fun with. There are damn few that fall into all the above. As a matter of fact, there is only one. That one is you sir.

Arrogant...yup. Sarcastic...you bet. And so what? It makes the playfull arguing that much more fun. Plus, you back it up with some really superior play.

I backed off from giving a whole lot of advice and such in this forum simply because I have been on the losing streak from hell the past couple of months. It hasn't really turned around yet and I find myself questioning whether I should even be playing. So I don't feel qualified to give advice to people that can obviously play better than I. But even though I don't post often anymore except for the zoo where poker is never serious, I do still read this forum every day and there are posters that I do love to read. AM, Pitcher, Doc, Tim, Cracker, and others are great but frankly you lead the pack. Keep it up and I will be back. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

unfrgvn
05-07-2004, 01:46 PM
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Sure I'll bet you $50 since unfgvn's reply was to fat nutz and not william. Unless you meant to reply to nutz and not unfgvn.

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What??? Of course I meant nutz is the pathetic idiot.


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Whew, I was afraid you meant me. Not to say I'm not a pathetic idiot, just didn't know anyone here knew it....
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