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Georock
05-01-2004, 05:49 PM
Hello all!!,

I"m a long time lurker, and finally decided to join in the conversation. It's great to be here!! I've been studying and playing hold 'em online for about 8 months, and finally decided to take the trip to Foxwoods for my first live play. I didn't want to go alone, so a friend of mine who is a very good player with a lot of live playing experience agreed to go with me ( I didn't exactly have to twist his arm!).

We get there, and the Casino is just massive. I'm getting slightly nervous, but I've read 6 or 7 books, practically memorized HEFAP, know all of my hand groupings, what to play in any position, tactics, etc. We both sign up for a 2-4 game, and in around 45 minutes, I get my seat. Right off the bat I'm lucky, because the dealer just deals the cards and doesn't ask me to post. I thought maybe the rules were different or something, but then I realized that she just forgot. I quickly discovered something about low limit live hold 'em:

Almost all of the advanced knowledge is not needed.

I'm playing tight and by the book, of course, and I notice that there are at least 7 seeing the flop, 5 seeing the turn, 4 seeing the river, and 3 showing down (on average). I almost could not believe it! If people have a pair, ANY pair, they are staying in. Here are my hand highlights:

I have Q 10 in the SB, and catch a straight on the turn. Win my first hand played!

I get KK and it holds up, off to a good start!

I get A 10 suited, get 2 pair and lose to a straight on the river. The guy didn't even know he had a straight, we had to tell him!

Got 6 7 suited in the BB, got a flush, and lost to a higher flush (darn it!)

Got A Q suited, and once again lost to straight on the river.

6 hours played, down about $50 (13 BB), and had a wonderful time and learning experience! I was shocked how people are only thinking about what they have (maybe), and aren't at all thinking about what you might have. If they have something, ANYTHING, they stay in, and if they raise, watch out, they have 2 pair or better. For the last 2 hours I was at a table with my friend. He showed down AA and AK in previous hands, and raised again before the flop. The flop came J high, and he bet all the way to the river, with 2 callers. he had J A, the other two people showed J 10, and J 6, With a King on the board!! Absolutely amazing.

So, if anyone is worried about playing live, don't be. It's fun, and seems like it will be eventually profitable. There was a women playing next to me, who asked me "does it count as a straight if you have JQKA2??" unbelievable! I saw young a rounder looking type go on tilt when he had 3 good hands busted, a guy who said "There's no such thing as bad cards, only bad flops" rake in alot of chips ( beat AA with J6 offsuit!), and a bunch of nice elderly people who were more than happy to talk to you and keep on throwing their chips in the pot.

This game is awesome, and thanks for having me on the board!!

greenage
05-02-2004, 02:48 PM
Very nice report. Thank you for posting it.

greenage

LetsRock
05-03-2004, 12:49 PM
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Right off the bat I'm lucky, because the dealer just deals the cards and doesn't ask me to post.

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It's not unusual to not post your "first hand in" at a casino. I think online has to do it because it would be too easy to never post a blind. In a live game, it would be much more difficult to get way with table jumping just to avaoid the blinds.

Glad you enjoyed your first live game - I find it much more enjoyable to play live, even if it is less profitable (higher rake, tips nad other costs). It's just feels like poker instead of a video game.

wontons
05-03-2004, 01:29 PM
I want to start this off as I am not trying to be rude AT ALL just curious. You said you read about 7-8 poker books, and pratically memorized HEFAP. Why put yourself in a 2-4 game?

After reading winning low limit holdem by lee jones and memorizing it that should be plenty IMO. I really enjoyed that book. Anyway I'm assuming its because its your first time playing/and or bankroll requirements? To me 2-4,3-6 isn't poker. Everyone will agrue against this but the fact is you can be the best player in the world and still lose many more times than winning at a table limit of that size over a table limit of say 10-20(assuming your a top player).

LetsRock
05-03-2004, 02:06 PM
Some of us just don't have the cash to get into the games we "should" be playing in. It takes quite a bit of time to build a big enough BR to play the higher limits and you gotta start somewhere.

There's also some of us who would not be comfortable "risking" the amount of money it takes to get into the higher limit games - one bad session and we feel like idiots for "throwing away" "that kind of money".

We aren't all rich pros and some of us enjoy just playing poker for what we can afford.

bdk3clash
05-03-2004, 06:26 PM
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Everyone will agrue against this but the fact is you can be the best player in the world and still lose many more times than winning at a table limit of that size over a table limit of say 10-20(assuming your a top player).

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Ahh. The old "you can't beat bad players" chestnut. This is complete BS, and is generally an excuse used by players who aren't beating low limit games.

If you can't beat a table full of bad players, regardless of the limit, you're probably not "the best player in the world" or even "a top player." You're probably not even a "good" or "winning" player at any limit.

gonores
05-03-2004, 06:55 PM
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt here and agree with him that you will esperince more losing sessions at 2/4 than 10/20, simply due to the short-term variance. One the whole, obviously, you make more in terms of BB/hr at 2/4 than 10/20, if you discount the rake.

Chris Daddy Cool
05-03-2004, 07:15 PM
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Everyone will agrue against this but the fact is you can be the best player in the world and still lose many more times than winning at a table limit of that size over a table limit of say 10-20(assuming your a top player).

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Are we really discussing this again? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Patrick del Poker Grande
05-03-2004, 07:31 PM
Am I in the minority being a person who started off in the B&Ms and then moved to online poker? Maybe it's just because I'm on an online messageboard, but is it more often that people start out online and end up in the B&Ms or the way I'm doing it (going online as a second option out of necessity)?

I will have to agree with the earlier post about enjoying 'live' poker more. It's a much better experience, all money issues aside. I'd have to imagine that even if/when I get to be a proficient winner online that I'll still trek up to the mountains for a live game in the casinos here in CO, even if all I can get is the lame 5/5 game, and I'll for sure spend my fair share of time at the Vegas tables whenever I can go.

I'll also agree with the sentiment about being well-prepared for a live 2/4 game after only reading WLLHE. I was able to jump in and win in the local card room (when I was in CA) at that level (and 3/6) right away after only reading that one book. You'll find the live games at that level are full of absolute morons who are there for action and to gamble - usually with one or more beers in their hand. You don't need advanced tactics - just keep it simple. Maybe Caro's Book of Poker Tells would be useful, but you can win even without that knowledge too.

Georock
05-03-2004, 10:24 PM
It was my first time playing live, so you hit the nail on the head. I wanted to just get over my nervousness and build some confidence, which I accomplished (and had ALOT or fun!). I will most likely play 4-8 the next time I go. I was surprised that the play was THAT bad.

Georock
05-03-2004, 10:31 PM
I also agree that playing live is much more fun than playing on line. Ever since I got back I have been not as thrilled about playing on line. It's still fun, but live play is great. Just the stories you leave the casino with are worth the price of admission!