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Shargaas

05-01-2004, 11:46 AM

These hands were from near the end of my session last night. I didn't think I was tired but I am interested to see opinions on whether my play was deteriorating late in the session.

Hand 1:

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 raises, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players) 
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.20 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players) 
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (17.20 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players) 
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks.

Final Pot: 17.20 BB
Main Pot: 17.20 BB, between UTG+2, MP1, Hero and MP3. > Pot won by MP3 (17.20 BB).

Results in white below: 
UTG+2 shows 7h 7d (one pair, sevens).
MP1 shows 6c 6d (one pair, sixes).
Hero shows Qs Kh (one pair, queens).
MP3 shows Ks Kd (one pair, kings).
Outcome: MP3 wins 17.20 BB. 

Hand 2:

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players) 
Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players) 
Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP3 raises, Button folds, Hero calls, BB calls, MP1 folds.

On the turn raise I was pretty sure he had the flush. If so, am I getting the right odds to call and hit the full house? Well I called and...

River: (12.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players) 
Hero bets, BB raises, MP3 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 22.50 BB
Main Pot: 22.50 BB, between MP3, Hero and BB. > Pot won by Hero (22.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
BB shows Qh Js (flush, ace high).
MP3 shows 8h Kh (flush, ace high).
Hero shows Jc 9c (full house, nines full of jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 22.50 BB. 

Hand 3:

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif. CO posts a blind of $0.05.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises, CO (poster) folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (11 SB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players) 
SB bets, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero folds.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players) 
SB bets, MP1 calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players) 
SB bets, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB
Main Pot: 8.50 BB, won by SB.
Pot 2: 1 BB, overbet by SB.

Results in white below: 
SB doesn't show.
Outcome: SB wins 9.50 BB. 

Hand 4:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, MP calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players) 
SB checks, Hero bets, MP calls, Button calls, SB raises, Hero calls, MP calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players) 
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, Button checks.

River: (6 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players) 
SB checks, Hero bets, MP raises, Button folds, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, MP caps, SB calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB
Main Pot: 16 BB, between MP, SB and Hero. > Pot won by MP (16 BB).

Results in white below: 
MP shows Qh 5h (flush, queen high).
SB shows Qc 6s (two pair, queens and sixes).
Hero shows 4h Jh (flush, jack high).
Outcome: MP wins 16 BB. 

Hand 5:

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises, CO folds, Button 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

The button had raised all-in for $0.03 pre-flop.

Flop: (13.40 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players) 
BB checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (10.70 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players) 
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (14.70 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players) 
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 17.70 BB
Main Pot: 17.70 BB, between MP1, MP2, Hero and Button. > Pot won by Hero (17.70 BB).

Results in white below: 
MP1 shows Tc Qc (two pair, queens and fives).
MP2 shows 9c 8c (two pair, eights and fives).
Hero shows Qd Ad (two pair, queens and fives).
Button shows Ah 7h (two pair, sevens and fives).
Outcome: Hero wins 17.70 BB. 

All comments/opinions/critiques are welcome.

deacsoft

05-01-2004, 12:24 PM

Hand 1) Why in the world did you lead in to the preflop raiser not once but twice. That smelled like Aces or Kings from the get go. You have top pair with another pair on the board. Check call the whole way unless someone 3 bets.

Hand 2) If my quick figure math is correct you were getting the proper odds to make the call on the turn if you were indeed against a flush and drawing to a boat or quads (10 outs with one card to come is 3.6 to 1) The hand looks fine.

Hand 3) I sometimes do not raise with A-Qo behind 2 limpers with 4 players yet to act. I like to see where everyone else is at preflop. You did nothing wrong. It's merely something to consider doing once in a while. They obviously won't be able to put you on A-Q and may think their A-5 is good when an ace flops.

Hand 4) I do not bet out after flopping a jack high flush draw, because I'm in very early position and do not want to be raised. A raise could destroy my pot odds. Turn check is good. I seriously consider folding this to the 3 bet on the river. A jack high flush is nothing to be too proud of after someone just 3 bet the river. It stinks of a bigger flush because of the check through on the turn. I fold.

Hand 5)Looks great. Maybe consider checking through on the river so trip 5s can't check raise you but okay to bet out too. Nice hand.

bisonbison

05-01-2004, 12:57 PM

Hand 1: I raise preflop. I'd 3-bet the flop. If he capped I'd call down. If not capped, I'd lead the turn.

Hand 2: perfect. By the way, folding on that turn would be absolutely terrible.

Hand 3: I'd call on the flop, and fold the turn unimproved. Any read on the SB? What does he call raises with?

Hand 4: Brutal, but it happens. Well played.

Hand 5: Standard.

bisonbison

05-01-2004, 01:05 PM

Why in the world did you lead in to the preflop raiser not once but twice. That smelled like Aces or Kings from the get go. You have top pair with another pair on the board. Check call the whole way unless someone 3 bets.

What smelled like Aces or Kings? a preflop raise and a flop raise? I would play half a dozen hands like that on a queen high flop.

If my quick figure math is correct you were getting the proper odds to make the call on the turn if you were indeed against a flush and drawing to a boat or quads (10 outs with one card to come is 3.6 to 1) The hand looks fine.

You guys just need to know that folding trips or a set or a strong draw on the turn for one bet is usually terrible.

Hand 3) I sometimes do not raise with A-Qo behind 2 limpers with 4 players yet to act. I like to see where everyone else is at preflop. You did nothing wrong. It's merely something to consider doing once in a while. They obviously won't be able to put you on A-Q and may think their A-5 is good when an ace flops.

Not raising is not good. They'll still call with their dominated hands. They'll still think their A5o is good. That's what bad players think. And what do you find out when everyone calls? Nothing. This is an easy easy raise every single time preflop. Your edge is huge. Maximize your EV.

Hand 4) I do not bet out after flopping a jack high flush draw, because I'm in very early position and do not want to be raised. A raise could destroy my pot odds. Turn check is good. I seriously consider folding this to the 3 bet on the river. A jack high flush is nothing to be too proud of after someone just 3 bet the river. It stinks of a bigger flush because of the check through on the turn. I fold.

It's incredibly rare to have a dominated flush. Without pumping the pot, you win small when you have the best hand, and never make up for those times you're dominated.

Maybe consider checking through on the river so trip 5s can't check raise you but okay to bet out too. Nice hand.

You have to bet the river. 2 BB every time no one has a 5 outweighs the cost when someone does have a five.

Deac, I'm not trying to single you out, but you're giving classic weak-tight advice here.

tpir90036

05-01-2004, 03:18 PM

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Hand 1: I raise preflop. I'd 3-bet the flop. If he capped I'd call down. If not capped, I'd lead the turn.

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i have been getting burned a lot by being too aggressive in these spots. if you 3-bet and it's not capped can you fold to a turn raise of you lead? is it bad to go straight to call-down mode on the flop?

bisonbison

05-01-2004, 03:30 PM

Well, it depends on the player, but a lot of more aggressive players will raise the flop here with AK, JJ, or TT, cause they feel that the bettor is likely taking a shot and it may buy them a cheap look at the river if they decide they're behind.

I don't think calling down immediately probably costs you much, and yeah, if you 3-bet and he calls, you can probably lay down to a turn raise if a blank falls.

But I'd love to hear other people's opinion on that kind of play. I get the feeling it may be too fancy.

JerseyTom

05-01-2004, 04:28 PM

Hand 1: I agree with bison; I probably 3-bet the flop. If he caps, i get a little queasy and downshift into check-call mode. If either UTG+2 or MP1 starts to dish out action on later streets, I'm so outta there...

Hand 2:
You're getting 10.5:1 (the exact odds to river your boat or quads) to call MP3's turn raise; once you consider the implied odds (you're gonna get paid off handsomely if you hit), this is a no-brainer. If you miss the river, check-call. Well-done!

Hand 3:
This is tough. Do you have a read on SB? Will he call a raise out of the SB with "anything" (in which case the 3 is eminently possible and you're likely hosed) or is he "sane" (in which case a mid-pair is more likely?). I call the flop. If I improve on the turn, I raise if he leads out again and fold to a 3-bet; if I don't improve, I check-fold the turn.

Hand 4:
Too bad on this one. Your hand is probably no good, but I can't blame you for calling down (esp. since this is 4-handed from the flop on). I'd like to think I can let this go at some point on the river if I have a read on either MP or SB.

Hand 5:
Nice. I would bet the river too, but wince while doing so (but I think I'm a bit weak-tight). If someone raises, I make the crying call and give him his props when he shows 65s...

Peter Harris

05-01-2004, 04:43 PM

Hand 1: KQo - i hate to play this for 2 bets. if you know good aggressive players are behind, muck it. It'll save you money until you feel comfortable playing it.

Flop: i may 3-bet here just to see if he caps. You lose to QQ, KK, AA, AQ [AQ and QQ less likely]. would he raise PF with a set?

Turn: he raised the flop, either check-call (weak) or check-fold (must have good read on player).

River: he checked. you saved a bet. don't spend it all at once!

Not sure about KQo and will look intently on other replies to the thread. please don't take my word as gospel!

Hand 2: you don't really have odds to draw to a full house you can trust (the J) - although i think you have the odds if you are sure noone has an A to beat your full house if the ace rivers.

Hand 3 - i'd consider folding this flop to a SB bet, but would he call your 3/4BB raise with 32? 33? 22? maybe the latter 2. He may have a medium pair too. I'd fold, but need more info on the player.

Hand 4 - 2 players came to life on the river, and Qxs, Kxs and Axs all beat you. I'd consider folding the river - do any other players use the "river raise" as a fish tell?? the way they raise a bet on the river and it screams their hand out. I sometimes fold for the extra bet and invariably am shown the rivered straight/Q-hi flush etc.

Hand 5 - i'd consider capping the flop. Buttons 3-bet weakly, as mediocre players overestimate their positional status. Being on the button with a weak suited ace is not a significant advantage [is in fact a serious underdog] against AQs in middle position!

All comments on my thoughts welcome too, as i am always learning...

All the best,
Peter Harris

deacsoft

05-01-2004, 11:17 PM

Thanks man. God knows I could use the help too. /images/graemlins/smile.gif