MegaQuiz time: Making reads in your first two rounds (looooong) [Archive]

bisonbison

04-28-2004, 05:00 PM

Okay guys, today I sat down at a 2/4 table with only one familiar player. The conventional wisdom is that by the time you see 2 rounds, you should have some kind of idea of who each player is. The looser the player, the more info you should have.

So, here are my first two rounds at the table. I want you to read through the hands and give me your player reads.

The players are as follows:

Hero
Blitzen
Comet
Cupid
Doc
Donner
Hutch
Larry
Moe
Optimus
Prancer
Rudolph
Sneezy

For some of these, you may only be able to say "tight" or "passive", but for others, you should know quite a bit more. The idea is not to criticize everyone's play in every hand, but to let each hand's play coalesce into a description of each player.

As for how I feel about my play in these hands: I butchered hand 16. I think I feel alright about most of the others.

Also, this is my first time putting together something like this, so if the idea sucks, let me know.

[The hands are in the next post]

bisonbison

04-28-2004, 05:01 PM

Sorry for the super-long post to follow:

Hand 1:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG (Rudolph) calls, UTG+1 (Blitzen) calls, MP1 (Donner) folds, MP2 (Prancer) folds, MP3 (Comet) folds, CO (Cupid) calls, Button (Sneezy) folds, SB (Doc) folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players) 
Hero bets, Rudolph calls, Blitzen calls, CO folds.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players) 
Hero bets, Rudolph raises, Blitzen calls, Hero calls.

River: (9.75 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players) 
Hero checks, Rudolph bets, Blitzen calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

Results below:
Hero shows Jd Ts (one pair, tens).
Rudolph shows Qd 9c (one pair, nines).
Blitzen shows 4c 3c (two pair, fours and threes).
Outcome: Blitzen wins 12.75 BB. 

Hand 2:

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG (Blitzen) calls, UTG+1 (Donner) folds, MP1 (Prancer) calls, MP2 (Comet) folds, MP3 (Cupid) folds, CO (Sneezy) folds, Button (Doc) folds, Hero raises, BB (Rudolph) calls, UTG (Blitzen) calls, MP1 (Prancer) calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players) 
Hero bets, Rudolph folds, Blitzen calls, Prancer calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players) 
Hero bets, Blitzen calls, Prancer calls.

River: (8.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players) 
Hero bets, Blitzen raises, Prancer folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Results below:
Blitzen shows 9d Js (two pair, jacks and nines).
Hero shows Qd Qs (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Blitzen wins 12.50 BB.

Hand 3:

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG (Donner) folds, UTG+1 (Prancer) calls, MP1 (Comet) calls, MP2 (Sneezy) folds, CO (Doc) calls, Hero folds, SB (Rudolph) completes, BB (Blitzen) checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players) 
Rudolph checks, Blitzen bets, Prancer raises, Comet calls, Doc calls, Rudolph folds, Blitzen calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players) 
Blitzen checks, Prancer bets, Comet calls, Doc folds, Blitzen folds.

River: (8.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players) 
Prancer bets, Comet calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Results below:
Prancer shows 6h 7c (straight, seven high).
Comet shows As 2s (straight, five high).
Outcome: Prancer wins 10.50 BB.

Hand 4:

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Preflop: Hero is CO with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG (Prancer) calls, UTG+1 (Comet) folds, MP1 (Sneezy) folds, MP2 (Doc) folds, Hero folds, Button (Rudolph) calls, SB (Blitzen) completes, BB (Donner) checks.

Flop: (4 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players) 
Blitzen checks, Donner checks, Prancer bets, Rudolph folds, Blitzen calls, Donner folds.

Turn: (3 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players) 
Blitzen checks, Prancer checks.

River: (3 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players) 
Blitzen bets, Prancer calls.

Final Pot: 5 BB

Results below:
Blitzen shows 8s 9d (two pair, nines and threes).
Prancer shows Td 9h (two pair, nines and threes).
Outcome: Blitzen wins 2.50 BB. Prancer wins 2.50 BB.

Hand 5:

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG (Sneezy) folds, MP1 (Doc) folds, Hero folds, CO (Rudolph) calls, Button (Blitzen) calls, SB (Donner) completes, BB (Prancer) checks.

Flop: (4 SB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players) 
Donner checks, Prancer checks, Rudolph bets, Blitzen raises, Donner folds, Prancer folds, Rudolph calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players) 
Rudolph checks, Blitzen bets, Rudolph folds.

Final Pot: 5 BB

Results below:
No showdown. Blitzen wins 5 BB.

Hand 6:

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG (Sneezy) folds, UTG+1 (Doc) calls, Hero folds, MP2 (Rudolph) folds, CO (Blitzen) calls, Button (Donner) calls, SB (Prancer) raises, BB (Moe) calls, UTG+1 (Doc) calls, CO (Blitzen) calls, Button (Donner) calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players) 
Prancer bets, Moe folds, Doc folds, Blitzen calls, Donner folds.

Turn: (6 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players) 
Prancer bets, Blitzen folds.

Final Pot: 7 BB

Results below:
No showdown. Prancer wins 7 BB.

Hand 7:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG (Doc) raises, Hero folds, MP1 (Rudolph) folds, MP2 (Blitzen) calls, CO (Donner) folds, Button (Prancer) calls, SB (Moe) folds, BB (Sneezy) folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players) 
Doc bets, Blitzen calls, Prancer calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players) 
Doc bets, Blitzen calls, Prancer calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players) 
Doc bets, Blitzen calls, Prancer folds.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

Results below:
Doc shows Qc Qh (two pair, queens and eights).
Blitzen shows Ac 2d (two pair, eights and twos).
Outcome: UTG wins 10.25 BB.

Hand 8:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif. CO (Larry) posts a blind of $2.
Hero folds, UTG+1 (Rudolph) folds, MP1 (Blitzen) folds, MP2 (Donner) folds, MP3 (Prancer) calls, CO (Larry) (poster) checks, Button (Moe) folds, SB (Sneezy) completes, BB (Doc) checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players) 
Sneezy bets, Doc folds, Prancer folds, Larry folds.

Final Pot: 2.50 BB

Results below:
No showdown. Sneezy wins 2.50 BB.

Hand 9:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG (Rudolph) folds, UTG+1 (Blitzen) calls, MP1 (Donner) folds, MP2 (Prancer) calls, MP3 (Larry) folds, CO (Moe) folds, Button (Sneezy) folds, SB (Doc) folds, Hero raises, UTG+1 (Blitzen) calls, MP2 (Prancer) calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players) 
Hero bets, Blitzen calls, Prancer calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players) 
Hero bets, Blitzen folds, Prancer calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players) 
Hero bets, Prancer raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

Results below:
Hero shows Ad Qs (two pair, aces and twos).
Prancer shows 8h As (two pair, aces and eights).
Outcome: Prancer wins 10.75 BB.

Hand 10:

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG (Blitzen) folds, UTG+1 (Donner) folds, MP1 (Prancer) calls, MP2 (Larry) calls, MP3 (Moe) folds, CO (Sneezy) folds, Button (Doc) calls, Hero completes, BB (Rudolph) checks.

Flop: (5 SB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players) 
Hero checks, Rudolph checks, Prancer checks, Larry checks, Doc checks.

Turn: (2.50 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players) 
Hero checks, Rudolph bets, Prancer calls, Larry folds, Doc folds, Hero folds.

River: (4.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players) 
Rudolph bets, Prancer folds.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB

Results below:
Rudolph doesn't show.
Outcome: Rudolph wins 5.50 BB.

Hand 11:

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG (Donner) folds, UTG+1 (Prancer) folds, MP1 (Larry) folds, MP2 (Moe) raises, MP3 (Sneezy) folds, CO (Doc) folds, Hero folds, SB (Rudolph) folds, BB (Blitzen) folds.

Final Pot: 1.75 BB

Results below:
No showdown. Moe wins 1.75 BB.

Hand 12:

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG (Prancer) folds, UTG+1 (Larry) calls, MP1 (Moe) folds, MP2 (Sneezy) folds, MP3 (Doc) folds, Hero raises, Button (Rudolph) folds, SB (Blitzen) calls, BB (Donner) calls, UTG+1 (Larry) calls.

Flop: (8 SB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players) 
Blitzen checks, Donner checks, Larry bets, Hero raises, Blitzen calls, Donner folds, Larry 3-bets, Hero caps, Blitzen calls, Larry calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players) 
Blitzen checks, Larry checks, Hero bets, Blitzen calls, Larry calls.

River: (13 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players) 
Blitzen checks, Larry bets, Hero raises, Blitzen folds, Larry calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB

Results below:
Larry shows Td As (two pair, aces and queens).
Hero shows Ad Qh (full house, queens full of aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 17 BB.

Hand 13:

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG (Larry) calls, UTG+1 (Moe) folds, MP1 (Sneezy) folds, MP2 (Doc) calls, Hero folds, CO (Rudolph) calls, Button (Blitzen) calls, SB (Donner) completes, BB (Hutch) checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players) 
Donner checks, Hutch bets, Larry calls, Doc folds, Rudolph calls, Blitzen calls, Donner calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players) 
Donner checks, Hutch bets, Larry folds, Rudolph calls, Blitzen calls, Donner calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players) 
Donner checks, Hutch checks, Rudolph checks, Blitzen bets, Donner folds, Hutch calls, Rudolph folds.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Results below:
Hutch shows Ad 8d (two pair, eights and threes).
Blitzen shows 6h 4h (two pair, sixes and fours).
Outcome: Hutch wins 11.50 BB.

Hand 14:

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG (Moe) folds, UTG+1 (Sneezy) folds, MP1 (Doc) calls, Hero folds, MP3 (Rudolph) folds, CO (Blitzen) raises, Button (Donner) folds, SB (Hutch) folds, BB (Larry) calls, MP1 (Doc) calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players) 
Larry checks, MP1 bets, Blitzen calls, Larry folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players) 
MP1 bets, Blitzen folds.

Final Pot: 5.25 BB

Results below:
No showdown. MP1 wins 5.25 BB. 

Hand 15:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. CO (Optimus) posts a blind of $2.
UTG (Sneezy) folds, UTG+1 (Doc) folds, Hero folds, MP1 (Rudolph) folds, MP2 (Blitzen) folds, MP3 (Donner) folds, CO (Optimus) (poster) checks, Button (Hutch) folds, SB (Larry) completes, BB (Moe) checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players) 
Larry bets $2 (All-In), Moe calls, Optimus calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players, 1 all-in) 
Moe checks, Optimus checks.

River: (3 BB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 1 all-in) 
Moe checks, Optimus checks.

Final Pot: 3 BB

Results below:
Larry shows 8c 2c (one pair, fives).
Moe shows Jd Ac (one pair, fives).
Optimus shows 9h Kc (one pair, fives).
Outcome: Moe wins 3 BB.

Hand 16:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero calls, UTG+1 (Rudolph) folds, MP1 (Donner) folds, MP2 (Optimus) calls, CO (Hutch) folds, Button (Moe) folds, SB (Sneezy) completes, BB (Doc) checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players) 
Sneezy bets, Doc folds, Hero raises, Optimus folds, Sneezy 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players) 
Sneezy bets, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players) 
Sneezy bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Results below:
Hero shows Jd Td (two pair, tens and eights).
Sneezy shows 8s Ts (full house, eights full of tens).
Outcome: Sneezy wins 9 BB.

bisonbison

04-28-2004, 05:05 PM

Other possible questions include:

1. Is this a good table? (i.e. should hero spend more time here?)
2. If you were a spectator, who would you want to sit next to?

bakku

04-28-2004, 05:37 PM

Hero - I'm going out on a limb and saying weak tight /images/graemlins/wink.gif
Blitzen - loose calling station
Comet - sat at table for 4 hands, seemed passive
Cupid - sat at table for 2 hands
Doc - tight aggressive
Donner - tight passive
Hutch - weak tight
Larry - semi-tight aggressive
Moe - most likely tight aggressive
Optimus - has the coolest name
Prancer - loose aggressive
Rudolph - loose
Sneezy - tight aggressive

1. This is a pretty decent table, I'm not leaving quite yet even though Prancer is gone
2. I would sit on Prancer's left and isolate him all day

I like this idea bison, it will be good practice for everyone trying to improve their reads.

Btw, where is hand 17? I'm assuming you meant hand 16.

bisonbison

04-28-2004, 05:40 PM

Btw, where is hand 17? I'm assuming you meant hand 16.

Yeah 16. No hand 17.

tech

04-28-2004, 05:41 PM

1. By the end of these hands, the complexion of the table has changed. It is not nearly as good as it was when you first sat down. Still not a bad table, but when Blitzen leaves after hand 15, I would be tempted to see if I could find him somewhere else. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

2. Sick puppy that I am, I would probably want to watch either Prancer or Blitzen.

tech

04-28-2004, 05:42 PM

One thought as I went through the hands ... I might have 3-bet Prancer on the river on Hand 9. Depends on my feel when actually playing it, but when reading it I expected you to win there.

bakku

04-28-2004, 05:43 PM

Btw, great post bison. You do great work for this forum /images/graemlins/smile.gif

MicroBob

04-28-2004, 05:43 PM

no time currently...but looks very interesting.

i'll be more interested to look at examples of how you played your hands here then i will be to try to read everyone else...although that part of the exercise seems worthwhile also.

bakku

04-28-2004, 05:45 PM

[ QUOTE ]
One thought as I went through the hands ... I might have 3-bet Prancer on the river on Hand 9. Depends on my feel when actually playing it, but when reading it I expected you to win there.

[/ QUOTE ]

Although Prancer is pretty LAG, I don't think I'd 3-bet the river either.

tech

04-28-2004, 05:49 PM

Rudolph -- loose, lean toward aggressive
Blitzen -- calling station, my new best friend
Prancer -- LAG
Comet -- passive
Doc -- TAG, might lean weak-tight
Hutch -- reasonable, maybe weak-tight
Sneezy -- TAG
Moe -- seems reasonable
Larry -- aggressive

Sandstone

04-28-2004, 07:03 PM

My notes after looking it over quickly one time:

Blitzen = Calling Station, Loose Passive. Wont raise without a hand thats going to beat TPTK

Rudolph = LAG (?)

Prancer = Loose

Comet = Calling station

Doc = Tight Aggressive

Moe = Rock garden? Weak tight?

Larry = LAG

Hutch = weak tight?

Sneezy = Tight aggressive

Soggy Salmon

04-28-2004, 07:24 PM

This is fun. I would love to see more posts like this. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Blitzen - Wow. Too bad he left. After hand 4, my notes on him would read, "very loose, very passive".

Comet - I would have scratched my head at how he played his flopped straight. But I would have only made a note of it, and then he left. So no read, really.

Cupid - No read.

Doc - Tight,seems weakish. Hard to tell.

Donner - Tight, but after hand 13, seems kinda passive.

Hutch - Don't know. I might have played his one hand that way, too, with all those callers at the river.

Larry - First read would be that he sat down with what, $40? That's a strike against him right away.
I would have noted the bluff attempt. I would classify him as a gambler.

Moe - Tight, but after hand 15, I would probably think of him as sorta wimpy.

Optimus - No read

Prancer - Very loose, too passive.

Rudolph - Hand 1, would have immediately put Rudolph into the dork category. What the hell was he doing? He's either trying to steal the pot against two people, one of them new to the table, or slowplaying his pair of nines. He does nothing to change that opinion later. Loose passive.

Sneezy - Possible rock but maybe he is just getting really crappy cards. But then in hand 16, my respect would go up for him a bit, but 3-betting top two is not all that ballsy.

So you are left at the table with Rudolph, Donner, Optimus, Hutch, Moe, Sneezy and Doc. One loose player, a couple unknowns, a few tight weak guys and a possible tight-aggressive. If I stayed at this table, I would watch out for Sneezy, get a read on Hutch and Optimus, try to get Rudolph heads-up, and maybe steal a few pots from the rest of them. Maybe not worth it.

CardCuda

04-28-2004, 07:28 PM

Blitzen - Calling Station, Chaser, Folds the river alot. I'd be pushing this guy every chance I got, with any part of the flop.

Rudolph - Started out Loose, then died.

Prancer - Loose-Passive Chaser

Comet - Weak-Tight Calling Station

DOC - TAG

Sneezy - TAG

Cupid - No read

Moe - Weak Tight ?????

Larry - LAG

Hutch - Not quite sure yet....couple more hands.

bisonbison

04-28-2004, 08:18 PM

Let's see. My notes after these 16 hands:

Blitzen: l 43s UTG+1. Calls down with any part of board, will raise 2 pair on river into aggressor. Pretty loose. Not very passive.

Comet: flopped straight with str-fl draw and called down (others betting for him)

Cupid: .

Doc: seems decent. r QQ UTG.

Donner: seems decent. pretty tight.

Hutch: .

Larry: Sat down with 5BB (good catch Soggy!) Tried to push me around on broadway flop after my PF raise. he had top pair, gutshot draw. Let himself get all-in later.

Moe: seems decent.

Optimus: .

Prancer: op-l with 76o. aggressive with flopped straight. Any ace player. will raise if makes hand against PF raiser. maybe LA b/not maniac

Rudolph: op-l with Q9o UTG. got frisky on draw heavy board with TP-9 Q-Kick. Usually passive.

Sneezy: existing notes

(Sneezy and I have played roughly 900 hands against each other at .5/1-2/4. He's a little tighter than me preflop, and a bit more aggressive postflop. We've never chatted at the table beyond the "nh", but he must know that I'm TA (preflop at least). He's a good player. He bets draws, doesn't slowplay much and doesn't bluff much. He is capable of raising preflop and releasing what I assume is a decent hand if heads up. Thus the utter inexcusability of Hand 16.)

I thought the table was pretty good, and I wanted to do some 1-table work, so I stuck around for 120 hands and lost 30 BB. Table was still generally good, but a lot of second best hands were made (the pattern from hands 2 & 9). Oh well. That's the short term.

bisonbison

04-28-2004, 08:34 PM

Oh, and as for seating. Since the calling stations kept departing, and I pretty much assume new players aren't that great, I liked my seat, a couple downwind of Sneezy. If I could have moved a couple spots further away from him, that would have been fine too, to see how the table was gonna react if he chose to make an issue of stuff.

Nate tha' Great

04-28-2004, 09:35 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Oh, and as for seating. Since the calling stations kept departing, and I pretty much assume new players aren't that great, I liked my seat, a couple downwind of Sneezy. If I could have moved a couple spots further away from him, that would have been fine too, to see how the table was gonna react if he chose to make an issue of stuff.

[/ QUOTE ]

Your seating position relative to the loose players is a lot more important than your seating position relative to the tight players.