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ThePopinjay
04-28-2004, 03:33 AM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 (t1345)
MP2 (t680)
CO (t955)
Hero (t725)
SB (t1445)
BB (t905)
UTG (t1320)
UTG+1 (t625)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls t30, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t120</font>, SB calls t105, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, CO calls t90.

Flop: (t420) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(3 players) </font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets t250</font>, <font color="CC3333">CO raises to t500</font>

J5983
04-28-2004, 03:37 AM
Run away! Run away!

It sounds like set to me though; pocket pairs that can't let go.

Edge34
04-28-2004, 04:32 AM
Hope you're kidding...what other kind of flop were you looking for, AAK?

Put them all in the middle, let the chips fall where they may at showdown, and if you lose, move on to the next one. Absolutely MUST go for it on this hand.

Seems pretty straight-forward to me. Of course, I may be wrong, wouldn't be the first time.

-Edge

ThePopinjay
04-28-2004, 05:36 AM
Here's another one to comment on.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t2075)
Hero (t1545)
SB (t635)
BB (t870)
UTG (t1125)
UTG+1 (t1000)
MP1 (t400)
MP2 (t350)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="CC3333">UTG raises to t100</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero calls t100, <font color="CC3333">SB raises to t635 (All-In)</font>, BB folds, UTG calls t535

J5983
04-28-2004, 05:45 AM
Eh...if they're bad enough to go in with TPMK or a flush draw, then they're bad enough to call with K9o or something...personally I don't like pushing over two people who've shown strength with just TPTK.

DCIAce
04-28-2004, 06:26 AM
Hand #1 I think I'd push. You've got a decent shot at tripling up here. Looks like CO has KQ, KJ, or 99. SB could have anything from a flush draw, to K-x, to absolutely nothing.
My guesses on the hands are CO: K /images/graemlins/spade.gif Q /images/graemlins/club.gif , SB T /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 8 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif ...if you ever post results. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Hand #2 I'd muck this, you're either in a race situation, or way behind. I can't, for the life of me, figure out what UTG would play like this, though. Seems like he'd push with Aces after SB went all-in, if he was trying to get tricky with AA. Perhaps he wants you along for the ride.

Hand Guesses: UTG - A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif A /images/graemlins/heart.gif or 8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 8 /images/graemlins/club.gif, SB - A /images/graemlins/spade.gif Q /images/graemlins/club.gif or K /images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Girazze
04-28-2004, 07:18 AM
I say push. You have high pair with high kicker. I don't see folding to the T500 bet. Calling is not an option IMO. With pre-flop bets, I see you up against possibly a flush draw and a medium pair. Gonna read the replies now. I wanted to put in my reply before I got swayed by anyone elses.

Girazze
04-28-2004, 07:20 AM
Fold the jacks.

Cptkernow
04-28-2004, 09:37 AM
The advice to push on the AK hand is a disgrace to this forum.

Kurn, son of Mogh
04-28-2004, 10:21 AM
I'm not real worried about the SB. His play sounds like KQ or KJ. I'm more concerned about the CO. Why would he risk so much if he can't already beat TP/TK? Unless you have some specific info that you're up against 2 complete idiots, fold. One pair is no good here most of the time.

Kurn, son of Mogh
04-28-2004, 10:24 AM
UTG min-raising and then calling the all-in with a third hand in the mix makes me think he has a big pair. I'd likely get out of the way with JJ. It's still early.

Edge34
04-28-2004, 02:07 PM
Gee, what a helpful response. Have anything of value in there somewhere?

-Edge

Girazze
04-28-2004, 04:17 PM
Gee, thanks. It may be the wrong decision but I wouldn't label it a disgrace.

Cptkernow
04-29-2004, 06:54 AM
Edge.

Even at party poker you have to pay some attention to the actions of the other players.

You say what kind of flop are you looking for. Well the flop in the example is a good flop. However you cant play poker making decisions in relation to the flop alone, the actions of the other players is just as important. The actions here strongly indicate that whilst the flop was good for you it was better for someone else.
This means in effect that the flop was in fact very bad for you. The one way to excarbate the effect of this bad flop is to push all in on it.

Pushing all in here will be -EV. Whilst sometimes yes some twat at Party Poker will be making some kind of total muppet move by reraising, the majority of times I believe you will find yourself facing a hand superior to TPTK.

This means that pushing here in this situation over time will have an negative impact your money finishes.

While my use of the word disgrace was abit harsh I had just had AA cracked by Q9o so was venting slightly.
However anyone who did push here would be demonstrating the kind of play that makes PP so profitable. I think the advice on these forums should move people away from fishiness not closer.

ThePopinjay
04-29-2004, 07:48 PM
What happened:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 (t1345)
MP2 (t680)
CO (t955)
Hero (t725)
SB (t1445)
BB (t905)
UTG (t1320)
UTG+1 (t625)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls t30, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t120</font>, SB calls t105, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, CO calls t90.

Flop: (t420) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(3 players) </font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets t250</font>, <font color="CC3333">CO raises to t500</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t605 (All-In)</font>, SB folds, CO calls t105.

Turn: (t1880) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in) </font>

River: (t1880) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in) </font>

Final Pot: t1880
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: t1880 (t1880), between CO and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by CO (t1880).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
CO shows 9s Ks (two pair, kings and nines).
Hero shows Ad Kc (one pair, kings).
Outcome: CO wins t1880. </font>

Definetly not going to be this aggressive anymore, unless it's maniacs.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t2075)
Hero (t1545)
SB (t635)
BB (t870)
UTG (t1125)
UTG+1 (t1000)
MP1 (t400)
MP2 (t350)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="CC3333">UTG raises to t100</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero calls t100, <font color="CC3333">SB raises to t635 (All-In)</font>, BB folds, UTG calls t535, Hero folds.

Flop: (t1420) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in) </font>

Turn: (t1420) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in) </font>

River: (t1420) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in) </font>

Final Pot: t1420
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: t1420 (t1420), between SB and UTG.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by SB (t1420).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
UTG shows Ah Kc (one pair, queens).
SB shows Kh Qh (flush, king high).
Outcome: SB wins t1420. </font>

JJ is not a hand for me to go all-in PF this early. Can't be THAT aggressive once again.