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sin808

04-26-2004, 06:42 AM

ok, so it'd be nice if when the board tells you to hit the back button to fix your post it was still there. this is the third time I've tried to post this tonight. I think it's gotten shorter each time. Originally there were a couple more hands that I had some questions on, but after sifting through 300 hands 3 different times I got tired of it. I had comments on each one too, but again, after 3x I'm not up to that again. Anyway, enough complaining about something that's my own fault.

All comments, criticisms, etc on my plays (or lack thereof) are appreciated, thanks.

The tables were pretty loose, with alot of ppl taking bottom pair to the river.

hand 1:
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: sin is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, sin raises, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players) 
SB checks, BB checks, sin bets, MP1 calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players) 
SB checks, BB checks, sin bets, MP1 raises, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, sin calls.

River: (13.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players) 
SB checks, sin checks, MP1 bets, SB calls, sin calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB
Main Pot: 16.50 BB, between SB, sin and MP1. > Pot won by MP1 (16.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
SB shows Ts 8d (two pair, jacks and tens).
sin shows Ad Ah (two pair, aces and jacks).
MP1 shows Jd Qc (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: MP1 wins 16.50 BB. 

hand 2:
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: sin is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. CO posts a blind of $0.75.
sin raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO (poster) folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (11.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players) 
SB checks, BB checks, sin bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players) 
BB checks, sin checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks.

River: (7.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players) 
BB checks, sin checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB
Main Pot: 7.75 BB, between BB, sin, UTG+1 and MP2. > Pot won by sin (7.75 BB).

Results in white below: 
BB shows Jc Ac (high card, ace).
sin shows Qd Qh (one pair, queens).
UTG+1 shows 5d Jh (high card, king).
MP2 shows Ad 3s (one pair, threes).
Outcome: sin wins 7.75 BB. 

hand 3:
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: sin is MP2 with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, sin calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (8 SB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (8 players) 
SB bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, sin raises, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (10 BB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players) 
SB bets, BB folds, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 folds, sin 3-bets, MP3 calls, SB calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (22 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players) 
SB checks, UTG+1 bets, sin calls, MP3 raises, SB folds, UTG+1 calls, sin calls.

Final Pot: 28 BB
Main Pot: 28 BB, between MP3, UTG+1 and sin. > Pot won by MP3 (28 BB).

Results in white below: 
UTG+1 shows 9h Ac (three of a kind, nines).
sin shows Qs Ts (two pair, queens and tens).
MP3 shows 8h Jh (flush, queen high).
Outcome: MP3 wins 28 BB. 

hand 4:
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: sin is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, sin calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB raises, BB calls, UTG calls, sin calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players) 
SB bets, BB raises, UTG folds, sin calls, MP2 folds, SB 3-bets, BB calls, sin calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players) 
SB bets, BB calls, sin calls.

River: (12.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players) 
SB bets, BB calls, sin calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB
Main Pot: 15.50 BB, between SB, BB and sin. > Pot won by SB (15.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
BB shows 6s 6c (two pair, aces and sixes).
sin shows Ac 9c (three of a kind, aces).
SB shows Jh Js (full house, jacks full of aces).
Outcome: SB wins 15.50 BB. 

hand 5:
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: sin is BB with 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB completes, sin checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players) 
SB bets, sin folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players) 
SB bets, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players) 
SB bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB
Main Pot: 8.50 BB, between CO and SB. > Pot won by SB (8.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
CO shows Ts 5s (one pair, tens).
SB shows Ah 2h (two pair, aces and twos).
Outcome: SB wins 8.50 BB.

bakku

04-26-2004, 07:21 AM

Hand 1: With no read on MP1 I play it the same way although I'm tempted to 3-bet the turn. A read here would be very helpful

Hand 2: Bet the turn. If there's no raise I bet the river too. Don't let one overcard scare you into checking the probable best hand.

Hand 3: Fold preflop, but since you played..I don't like UTG+1 coming to life on the turn, but I don't give him credit for trips yet. I'd probably 3-bet here too. However, when MP3 comes to life on the river I think you can safely fold even though the pot is huge. I don't see you winning this pot

Hand 4: I 3-bet the flop and call down if SB caps and leads the turn.

Hand 5: Played fine

flexus

04-26-2004, 09:12 AM

hand 1: I would have played the same way as you did. The second Jack on the river is almost surely helping the turn raiser to beat you if he did not already have you beat. I might even fold here, as I am almost sure I am beat.

hand 2: I think you need to bet the river here, possibly even the turn. The problem is that passive opponents wont tell you weather they have a king, wich is why I think checking might be best. I am not sure about this one.

hand 3: Do you really think your two pair is good against a bet and a raise with this board? Before looking at the results, I would put UTG+1 on trip nines. In my experience, most micro players tend to (stupidly) always wait for the turn to raise with trips. If UTG+1 does not have it, there are many other players left in the pot who might have it, which is why I would fold to the turn raise, definitely not 3-bet.

After looking at the results I can see that I was right about UTG+1 (told ya /images/graemlins/cool.gif)

hand 4: You got into one of these very akward kicker situations. I really dont know what is the most rational play here but I would probably just go to the showdown, like you did.

hand 5: There is no way you can call that flop bet. You folded correctly.

sin808

04-26-2004, 11:50 AM

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hand 3: Do you really think your two pair is good against a bet and a raise with this board? Before looking at the results, I would put UTG+1 on trip nines. In my experience, most micro players tend to (stupidly) always wait for the turn to raise with trips. If UTG+1 does not have it, there are many other players left in the pot who might have it, which is why I would fold to the turn raise, definitely not 3-bet.

After looking at the results I can see that I was right about UTG+1 (told ya /images/graemlins/cool.gif)

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Ya, I should have folded there. The problem I had was that the two players that were in the pot with me had shown K high, Q high, and a pair of dueces on previous hands. And they still bet/raised it all the way. So I was deluded into thinking that they were probably still playing garbage hands. It sucked, but that's one of those lessons it only takes once to learn /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Raiser

04-26-2004, 12:15 PM

#1 - Re-raise the turn. You are laying down to very minor aggression. If he caps it, then you can slow down, but currently you have no reason to believe you are behind.

#2 - I bet the turn here. Seeing a K isn't nearly as bad as seeing an Ace - with the any Acers out there.

#3 - This hand sucks /images/graemlins/shocked.gif. The turn card looks great, but the action before you isn't good. I like the 3-bet. Unfortunately the river brings the backdoor flush into play and it looks like you're already up against a 9 and maybe a straight. But, the pot is big enough that I'd probably call it down also.

#4 - 3-bet the flop. If it's capped you can slow down. If you're bet into again on the turn you can slow down.

#5 - Good flop fold.

Edited to fix Hand #4 opinion. I misread it originally and thought you 3-bet the flop.

Glurfle

04-26-2004, 06:03 PM

Hand 1: I'd probably 3-bet the turn. If you've still got two opponents after that, I wouldn't be a big fan of overcalling on the river.

Hand 2: Bet the turn, fer cryin' out loud. Then bet the river.

Hand 3: There's a pretty big chance that you're drawing to 4 outs on the turn with UTG suddenly waking up. I'd often fold here getting pretty short odds. Calling the second bet on the river is just silly. At best, you're in second place behind a 9.

Hand 4: I don't like it, but I probably play it the same way.

Hand 5: I doubt you'd be posting this if not for the turn.

Nottom

04-26-2004, 06:26 PM

Hand 1: Looks good.

Hand 2: Bet the turn, and when that gets checked throuhg you have to bet the river.

Hand 3: Fold to the turn raise. He has a 9 (or better) somewhere around 90% of the time.

Hand 4: 3-bet the flop or raise the turn.

Hand 5: Good fold.

Shalara

04-26-2004, 08:34 PM

Hand #1: I would only do one thing different: I'd re-raise the turn. It's true he might have raised two pair or a straight, but at Party, it's equally likely he raised top pair top kicker. Maybe even trying to steal with bottom, who knows? After the 2nd jack hit, though, I'd check-call too.

Hand #2: Doesn't look like you could check-raise the flop since it's so blank, so good bet. The turn would depend on the table--if they will raise you when they make a hand, I'd bet the turn, and fold to a raise. If they'll just call your bet when they make their kings, then I would check also. I'd bet the river, since the turn checked. A weak king might fold, if there is one. If a straight is hanging around, I will thank the poker gods that such a fella is at my table, and hope he sticks around /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Hand #3: That's a tough one. I would have just called the flop myself, but I really like how you played it. The turn and river were perfect, and now that I think about it, if I ever have a hand like that, I think I'll play it the way you did. While my instinct is to just call, so as not to scare anyone off in case I make my long-shot straight or flush, the pot is big enough to go after already.

Hand #4: In this situation, I am the one to 3-bet the flop, though I'll check-call the turn & river. I try to get it heads-up if possible. While you may be behind someone with a better ace, your odds are better against him alone than against two of them.

Hand #5: Good play, good lay-down. To keep chasing with this hand is a mistake.

sin808

04-27-2004, 12:41 AM

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Hand 5: I doubt you'd be posting this if not for the turn.

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hehe, of course not! That was just one of 6 hands that fell like that for me that night. So of course when it happens repeatedly it makes you question whether or not your doing the right thing, even though the pot odds aren't there for a call.