I know this is Party Poker, but this KK fold felt so right...

[Garland]

I just built my $25 buy-in at Party Poker to about $100 and the relevant opponent has about the same. He seem sane, but makes some mistakes.

He mini-raises to $1 in late position, a couple of callers, I'm in SB and reraise to $4. The guy pops in for my whole stack, and I think for awhile and fold. Who else does what I did?

He's the only one I don't push against due to his stack and his play. It didn't seem worth the risk.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO ($37.35)
Button ($17.05)
Hero ($101.69)
BB ($46.30)
UTG ($16.90)
UTG+1 ($78.85)
UTG+2 ($107.87)
MP1 ($15.90)
MP2 ($13)
MP3 ($100.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.50, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, <font color="CC3333">MP3 raises to $1</font>, CO folds, Button folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, BB folds, UTG+2 folds, <font color="CC3333">MP3 raises to $100.25 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $105.25
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: $9, won by MP3.</font>
<font color="#990066">Pot 2: $96.25, overbet by MP3.</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
No showdown. MP3 wins $105.25. </font>

[Ben]

I feel like a call is slightly higher EV then a fold here, but I think it's close.

Now, Jay would likely tell you to take any edge when it's there as that's why you have a bankroll. However, if you lose your stack here, you won't get another chance to take his full $100. I say you can fold here and get all of it in when you're more sure.



-Ben

[daryn]

i like your fold here, and i think the chances he held AA are likely. that's a big push. just cut your $4 loss right there.

[fsuplayer]

I have only one exception to my never fold KK preflop on Party NL games. That exception is if me and the perp have over double the buy in and he rereraises me for all of it! (And I have some read on the player
And you are right, it does feel good. I feel like I stole something. I guess bc I am so sure they have AA and they would be sooo pissed if they knew I folded that. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
But for normal buy in type stack at Party, I never fold it.
FsuPlayer

[MrFroggyX]

Good fold!

[sam h]

people think this is such a clear fold. In my experience - admittedly not much at the $25 buy-in - amateurish guys very rarely make this kind of huge reraise with AA. They are much more likely to min raise you back or something close to it.

[Sundevils21]

I agree completely with FSU.
I have just seen so many people go all in with 99 in that situation. Maybe it's just me.

[NaobisDad]

Honoustly I think he probably has AA, but it's not unlikely he would try this with something else, that you can beat.

But I wouldn't risk it against him for all of it. Rather wait and empty out the smaller stacks.

[Jon Matthews]

I call that, I've faced massive reraises like that before and nearly folded QQ or KK. A little more often than not I've been up against 99-QQ and you don't lose every time against AA anyway...

[DcifrThs]

it is right. and correct. and sane.

many people would make this call and against the right person they'd be right more than the 40odd % of the time necessary (not 50% b/c of dead money already in pot). but i'm (and apparantly you) are more selective than that. you have a GREAT position on party poker 25 buy in nl tables. you can bust a whole slew of stacks and keep movin' on up. why risk the whole kitten'kaboodle right now on a close call?

not my kinda poker, which is why my limit is 5-10 blinds 500minimum buy in live nl. i don't wanna make a call like that for over 2500 bucks. but analagously, i'd never make that call in that game either, just too many better spots to put your stack in than over a heads up $9 pot.
-Barron

[The Bear]

I think the fold is definitely right. You'll be shown AA the majority of the time. I haven't played the NL25, but in the several months I was at the NL100, the "push with aces" move was very common. In my personal experience, I have folded KK 3 times in NL to this exact move. Every time, I've been shown AA. Of course, that doesn't prove anything, but at least it's some empirical evidence.

Maybe I'm wrong and calling is +EV, but it isn't by much, and I think your 4xMax-buyin stack (and the profit potential that comes with it) makes this a routine fold.

The Bear