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John Cole
04-24-2004, 11:22 AM
Since some posters have decided to use money as a criteria for judging heroic action, perhaps this guy qualifies as a greater hero:

Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr., the oldest child of Joseph P. and Rose Kennedy, was born in Massachusetts on July 28, 1915. He was graduated from Choate School in Connecticut and attended the London School of Economics for one year before entering Harvard in 1934. At Harvard he played football and rugby, served on the Student Council and was graduated in 1938, cum laude. He attended Harvard Law School, but left before his final year to volunteer as a Navy flier. Awarded his wings in May 1942, he flew Caribbean patrols and in September 1943 was sent to England with the first naval squadron to fly B-24's with the British Naval Command. His military service, which ended with his death on August 12, 1944, was described as follows by his brother, John F. Kennedy:
His squadron, flying in the bitter winter over the Bay of Biscay, suffered heavy casualties, and by the time Joe had completed his designated number of missions in May, he had lost his former co-pilot and a number of close friends.
Joe refused his proffered leave and persuaded his crew to remain on for D-day. They flew frequently during June and July, and at the end of July they were given another opportunity to go home. He felt it unfair to ask his crew to stay on longer, and they returned to the United States. He remained. For he had heard of a new and special assignment for which volunteers had been requested which would require another month of the most dangerous type of flying.

...It may be felt, perhaps, that Joe should not have pushed his luck so far and should have accepted his leave and come home. But two facts must be borne in mind. First, at the time of his death, he had completed probably more combat missions in heavy bombers than any other pilot of his rank in the Navy and therefore was preeminently qualified, and secondly, as he told a friend early in August, he considered the odds at least fifty-fifty, and Joe never asked for any better odds than that.

The Secret mission on which he lost his life was described by a fellow officer after it was declassified:

Joe, regarded as an experienced Patrol Plane Commander, and a fellow-officer, an expert in radio control projects, was to take a "drone" Liberator bomber loaded with 21,170 pounds of high explosives into the air and to stay with it until two "mother" planes had achieved complete radio control over the "drone." They were then to bail out over England; the "drone," under the control of the "mother" planes, was to proceed on the mission which was to culminate in a crash-dive on the target, a V-2 rocket launching site in Normandy. The airplane ... was in flight with routine checking of the radio controls proceeding satisfactorily, when at 6:20 p.m. on August 12, 1944, two explosions blasted the "drone" resulting in the death of its two pilots. No final conclusions as to the cause of the explosions has ever been reached.
Joe was posthumously awarded the Navy Cross ... and also the Air Medal ... In 1946 a destroyer, the USS Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr., destroyer No. 850, was launched at the Fore River shipyards as the Navy's final tribute to a gallant officer and his heroic devotion to duty...

Anyone care to nominate someone with more money?

JoeU
04-24-2004, 11:58 AM
John,

I'd like to start this by saying thank you for the story. We should here more about these heroes, both in current wars and in wars of the past. This brave man stayed on to see his life's work through, even though he could have left at any time. He was a very courageous soldier, pilot, and man.

But I think we are all missing the point. Joe Kennedy was a Kennedy. He was born into wealth. He made his decision to leave his wealth. Pat Tillman was not rich. He was a 7th round pick by the Cardinals, and probably hadn't made much money in the NFL as of yet. I don't know the specifics of his first contract, but I do believe the offer on the table at the time of his departure was the most he was ever offered in the NFL.

We should admire these men who have fallen in the service of their country, but we should not focus on them because they were rich. All soldiers who die in combat should be considered fallen heroes, no matter what their financial status is. Those who are lucky enough to return should be considered heroes as well, and not live in a life of obscurity because of their financial status.

Again, thank you for the story. It is nice to read the history of any soldier at a time like this.

Joe