/randomness

[carlo]

I need artistic mathematician--Is there any sense to stating that a random number generator has a characterological disposition and specifically displays itself at a poker site?

[daryn]

clearly.

[carlo]

You know where I'm going--does this affect your style of play and is this on a conscious level?

[daryn]

i'm sorry.. i was just joking.

i think they're all basically the same.






you're talking about riverstars aren't you?

[carlo]

Thanks,I see differences but certainly am unable to predict, but know randomness to be an illusion and the mathematics of the system is mechanistic and therefore will cause certain events to happen which may be evident in comparison to other sites/generators

[carlo]

Sorry I didn't see your bottom line--I'v observed multiple major sites but the most telling are at p-stars and pp

[daryn]

often people fall back on the argument that random number generators are not truly random.

i always reply with, "it doesn't matter", because.. well, it doesn't.

[carlo]

That's the first point of clarity-I agree- but people hang onto this as a pillar of reality and therefore go no furthur-if you study 10000 hands and find that each position receives an equal distribution and therefore state that this is good,then what you have done is enforced a pattern of distribution which is characterological and since it comes from a mechanism we have as an example a "lion" or a "bear" but more like a "bloodless lion" or "blubberless bear". It matters.

[daryn]

i fail to see how it matters. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[carlo]

knowledge is an experietial activity which acts upon the the recipient thus bringing "newness"(for want of a better word) to life--this is opposed to "pocket knowledge" which may have a utilitarian bent which clothes reality in it's own forms thus obfuscating this active reality .Particulate and wave physics is a mighty abstraction based upon the thought-forms of our age but none the less darken this living life.

[daryn]

ok, that cleared things up.

[M.B.E.]

In fact, the best online poker sites use shuffles which are truly random (not pseudorandom):

http://tinyurl.com/3d885

[carlo]

Impossible--they can make it difficult to predict but the idea of randomness is only the expression of our inability to comprehend-there will always be a pattern but linear thinking cannot be used to approach the matter--the symptomology of the generator will be expressed and the effects will show on the players on the site.Get in touch with yourself and experience each site and note the differences--the site is not neutral and affects all of us in its own way--the computer screen,color,sound,etc. all affect the player and the internal element is a direct manifestation of the card production via the generator.This is the subtle and most compelling--the beast can twist you in the wind.This is not a matter of the sites cheating,the rake speaks for itself;100 hands/hour can convince even the most corrupt to play it straight.The "whiners"(no offence meant) at "riverstars" have a point but of course someone will always win the cash.

[JNash]

do those fancy words come out of a random thought generator? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[daryn]

this guy must write bush's speeches.

[MicroBob]

hold me, i'm confused.

[C M Burns]

So what you're saying is that nothing is random b/c everything is interconected and any change affects everyting else to some degree, like chaos theory. This is probably true but since our puny minds cannot even begin to decipher such a pattern as far as poker goes it may as well be random. And if you could decipher it you would probably find a more exciting use for it than playing poker. is carlo short for carlos castan??? (well I can't spell it but you probably know who I mean)

[Mike Haven]

Hi ho and a jolly welcode to all you surfwide'n interwebber lopers. Here beholdy manifold things Stanley Unwinmost - all deep joy and thorkus for great laugh'n tittery.

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