Tell me about Stu Ungar

[Walter Pullis]

I know a lot about Stu Ungar's biography; I know that he was no role model. I am only interested in his hold'em play.
Has anyone actually played at his table or saw a lot of his play on television? I have only been following poker the last few years after his death. I understand that he never played tight, even when the circumstances would normally call for it.

[Wake up CALL]

He was always being backed, never played on his own money. Why should he ever play tight?

[Stew]

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He was always being backed, never played on his own money. Why should he ever play tight?


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Most of the better players were backed in those days, that explains nothing.

[theBruiser500]

I'm also very interested in his play, haven't found much, most stuff focuses on his personal stuff.

[Ray Zee]

actually the better players were never backed in those days. only the players that were losers and broke. people dont back players as an investment, it is more of a friendship thing or payback for other things in the past.

[Robk]

Bob Ciaffone on Stu (http://www.cardplayer.com/?sec=afeature&art_id=13390)

[MHoydilla]

He got banned from gin rummy tournys because back then they were self dealt and he was a mechanic.

[Daliman]

Funny, first I ever heard of this. I've always heard, from SEVERAL different accounts, that he was just too good. What are your sources?

[KC50]

when the movie "Stuey" os to be released?

Thanks,

KC

[KC50]

because it'sa not true...I hate yo yo's that feel it's necessary to bring up incorrect information like they were there. I guarentee you this is not correct.

KC

[TylerD]

How on Earth do you gurantee that? Were you there?

[jdl22]

Sorry, but to guarantee that this claim is false you have to be able to account for pretty much every hour of Stu's life during the period of time described. Unless you were stalking him for several years there is no way this is possible.

[KC50]

Oh I see. You are just going to take someone's word that Stuey was a cheat then. Why didn't you say the same thing to the poster who said he was a cheat. That the only way for this to be true is for him to have stalked Stuey for years.

Not to stir up anything with you but your statement is biased just as his was.

You have a right to your opinion as do I.

Kind Regards,

KC

[jdl22]

My statement has no bias. To be perfectly honest I have no clue whether what the other guy said was true or not. I'm simply stating that you can't prove that somebody didn't do something unless you can account for everything that person did during their hole life. Doesn't mean it's true or not it's just that you can't guarantee that it didn't happen.

[aaronjacobg]

i think that good old stuey is innocent until proven guilty and until you show me this stalker or some other sort of proof he is not a cheat. end of story. believe what you want.

Jake

[MHoydilla]

Im sorry I ever metioned it I made it up and it is a total lie(I was drunk), I appoligize to the board.

[jdl22]

In no post have I ever stated that I believed the original claim. Quote a line from me where I state this.

[tewall]

Great article.

Quote: "If he had more than one gear controlling his speed of play, overdrive was the slow one."

[tewall]

Drunk or not, I can't believe anyone in a poker forum would lie.

[Sincere]

And you need to get off the crack pipe homey.

[Sincere]

It is definately not!

[Sincere]

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Sorry, but to guarantee that this claim is false you have to be able to account for pretty much every hour of Stu's life during the period of time described.

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Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

[jdl22]

2 things:

1. Innocent until proven guilty refers to the court of law. This is a poker forum where this legal principle doesn't apply.

2. I never said he was guilty. Granted I never said he was innocent either. I was only stating that to guarantee that someone didn't do something is impossible. That doesn't make it true or false. Things that are true cannot be guaranteed to be false naturally, but things that are completely ridiculous can also not be guaranteed to be false.

[jwvdcw]

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Oh I see. You are just going to take someone's word that Stuey was a cheat then. Why didn't you say the same thing to the poster who said he was a cheat. That the only way for this to be true is for him to have stalked Stuey for years.

Not to stir up anything with you but your statement is biased just as his was.

You have a right to your opinion as do I.

Kind Regards,

KC

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Logic 101:

In order to say that somebody did something(such as cheat), you only have to see him do it once. Therefore, you could only see him for one minute, yet still guarantee that he cheated.

However, to say that he never cheated, you would have to have been with him for every second of his life.

Now, I have no idea if he cheated or not....just pointing out why the above poster probably said that to you and not to him.

[tripdad]

i'm sure walter is thrilled at the direction his post has gone. shouldn't this he said/she said crap be in the gossip forum?

cheers!

[jdl22]

How is that a response to one of my posts?

[stir]

I got a kick from the 7-11 story. Thanks much for the link.