Bunch of TT hands [Archive] - Two Plus Two Older Archives

Vazh

04-20-2004, 05:28 PM

Over the last 1100 hands I've had TT 9 times and am down 20BB with it. Comments would be appreciated.

1. PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, MP calls, CO folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players) 
SB bets, BB calls, MP calls, Hero folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players) 
SB checks, BB checks, MP bets, SB calls, BB folds.

River: (7.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players) 
SB bets, MP folds.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Results in white below: 
SB doesn't show.
Outcome: SB wins 8.50 BB. 

2. PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed)

I'm fairly sure that I didn't raise pf because my raises were getting no respect at all. I assumed I'd get at least 4 callers anyway.

Preflop: Hero is CO with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, MP calls, Hero calls, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players) 
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, MP folds.

Turn: (4 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players) 
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG raises, Hero folds, SB calls.

River: (9 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players) 
SB checks, UTG bets, SB folds.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG doesn't show.
Outcome: UTG wins 10 BB. 

3. PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed)

River brain-cramp on this one. No excuses.

Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, MP calls, Button folds, Hero raises, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (6 SB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players) 
Hero bets, BB raises, MP folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players) 
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

River: (9 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players) 
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB

Results in white below: 
BB shows 9d Ks (full house, kings full of sixes).
Hero shows Ts Tc (full house, tens full of kings).
Outcome: BB wins 17 BB. 

4. PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Hero raises, MP calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players) 
Hero bets, MP calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, MP calls, Button calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players) 
Hero bets, MP calls, Button folds.

River: (10.25 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players) 
Hero bets, MP folds.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Th Tc (two pair, tens and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins 11.25 BB. 

5. PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, MP folds, CO folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players) 
SB bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players) 
SB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB

Results in white below: 
No showdown. SB wins 6.50 BB. 

6. PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero TEHero%%%%%T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, Hero raises, CO calls, Button 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (12.50 TEHero#####) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players) 
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, BB calls, Hero folds, CO raises, Button 3-bets, BB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (10.75 TEHero*****) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players) 
BB checks, CO bets, Button raises, BB calls, CO calls.

River: (16.75 TEHero*****) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players) 
BB checks, CO checks, Button bets, BB folds, CO folds.

Final Pot: 17.75 TEHero*****

Results in white below: 
Button doesn't show.
Outcome: Button wins 17.75 TEHero*****. 

7. PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed)

Occasionally I like to call a flop raise then bet into the raiser again on the turn to see if they're serious. I'll do this when I want to 3-bet, or when I want to fold to a raise. Stupid?

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero raises, MP folds, CO 3-bets, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players) 
SB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players) 
SB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, SB calls, Hero folds.

River: (13 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players) 
SB checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Results in white below: 
SB shows Ah Qh (straight, five high).
CO shows Qd Qs (one pair, queens).
Outcome: SB wins 13 BB. 

8. PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero raises, MP calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players) 
SB bets, BB folds, Hero folds, MP calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players) 
SB bets, MP calls, Button calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players) 
SB bets, MP calls, Button raises, SB calls, MP calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

Results in white below: 
SB shows 9s Kc (two pair, kings and nines).
MP shows Ac Qd (one pair, aces).
Button shows 9h Kh (two pair, kings and nines).
Outcome: SB wins 7.75 BB. Button wins 7.75 BB. 

9. PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, MP raises, Button calls, SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players) 
Hero checks, MP bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players) 
Hero checks, MP bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, MP folds, Button caps, Hero calls.

River: (13.75 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players) 
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Tc Th (three of a kind, tens).
Button shows Ks Jh (straight, king high).
Outcome: Button wins 15.75 BB.

Schneids

04-20-2004, 06:34 PM

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1. PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, MP calls, CO folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players) 
SB bets, BB calls, MP calls, Hero folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players) 
SB checks, BB checks, MP bets, SB calls, BB folds.

River: (7.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players) 
SB bets, MP folds.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

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I'm not going to tell you your fold is wrong or bad since this is highly player dependent -- but I envision myself raising here more often than folding.

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2. PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed)

I'm fairly sure that I didn't raise pf because my raises were getting no respect at all. I assumed I'd get at least 4 callers anyway.

Preflop: Hero is CO with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, MP calls, Hero calls, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players) 
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, MP folds.

Turn: (4 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players) 
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG raises, Hero folds, SB calls.

River: (9 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players) 
SB checks, UTG bets, SB folds.

Final Pot: 10 BB

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Raise PF anyway. Don't let this be a reason to not raise TT, it must be raised.

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3. PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed)

River brain-cramp on this one. No excuses.

Preflop: Hero is SB with T, T.
UTG folds, MP calls, Button folds, Hero raises, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (6 SB) T, K, 6 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, MP folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

River: (9 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

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Seems like an awkward 3-bet to make on the river, especially after the BB raises you on the flop. Considering you have three of the tens locked up already his raise means a king quite often, which is supported even more by the action on the rest of the hand.

#4 looks standard.

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5. PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T, T.
UTG calls, MP folds, CO folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 7, K, 6 (3 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 3 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB

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Probably a good fold. Might have folded to pair + spade draw, but most likely not.

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6. PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero TEHero%%%%%T, T.
UTG folds, Hero raises, CO calls, Button 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (12.50 TEHero#####) K, 7, 8 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, BB calls, Hero folds, CO raises, Button 3-bets, BB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (10.75 TEHero*****) 6 (3 players)
BB checks, CO bets, Button raises, BB calls, CO calls.

River: (16.75 TEHero*****) 3 (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Button bets, BB folds, CO folds.

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I am a fan of betting into the PFR raiser on this flop, unless the PFR is a mega rock. I am also surprised you bailed so quickly on the flop. The pot seems rather large to be folding for one bet when there's a chance the PFR is betting AQ or 99 or something that is losing to you. Note that you could have also capped PF and bet out and this hand may have been easier to play the rest of the way.

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7. PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed)

Occasionally I like to call a flop raise then bet into the raiser again on the turn to see if they're serious. I'll do this when I want to 3-bet, or when I want to fold to a raise. Stupid?

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No, that's a sound, reasonable strategy.

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8. PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T, T.
Hero raises, MP calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) A, 8, K (5 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero folds, MP calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 2 (3 players)
SB bets, MP calls, Button calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 9 (3 players)
SB bets, MP calls, Button raises, SB calls, MP calls.

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Looks good.

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9. PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T, T.
UTG folds, MP raises, Button calls, SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) Q, T, 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, MP folds, Button caps, Hero calls.

River: (13.75 BB) K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

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Not much you can do about that, just tough luck. I'd cap the turn, and I'd expect it to be a winning play in the long run.

Your Mom

04-20-2004, 08:41 PM

Keep in mind that an overcard doesn't mean you are beat. Neither do a bunch of callers on the flop. People call flop bets with anything.

Azhrarn

04-20-2004, 10:48 PM

I haven't read the other responses yet.

1. I think this is a little weak without a read on the SB. It's a nice pot, and there's only one overcard. I'd be inclined to raise the flop and proceed from there.

2. I'd raise anyway pre-flop. You've got good position. Post-flop's okay. It would probably be my line against unknown opponents. However, UTG may see your flop and turn bets as a steal attempt, so you're not necessarily behind, although the presence of the SB makes it more likely UTG has the goods. But if I thought UTG was aggressive, I'd call it down.

3. Yeah, you lost a couple of extra bets on the river. Otherwise fine.

4. Good.

5. Tough one. It's close between folding and calling down against an unknown. The turn bet could mean he picked up a draw with his (maybe lower) pair, or it could be a continuation of a semi-bluff. Or a king not wanting to give a free card, of course. I think I'd probably let my current table image be the deciding factor here.

6. This would be my default play against an unknown button.

7. Good. I think you could also check and fold to the bet and call on the turn. Might be a little weak against an unknown.

8. Good.

9. I think a flop checkraise would have been better, given the dangerousness of the board. There are a lot of cards you don't want to see on the turn. A show of strength on the flop would have made the turn action clearer, and it would have saved you a little money in this particular case.