Will John Feeney respect me in the morning?

[semipro50]

I was dealt AdQd, sitting to the right of the cutoff in a $20-40 holdem game, being played late Sunday morning. We were playing ten handed; all the players were experienced and were familiar with each other’s game. I am considered to be a tight player who is capable of trying to steal a pot or two during a session. All folded to me and of course I raised. The cutoff three bet. He was an aggressive thinking player who did not three bet lightly. The button four bet (which is the cap in this casino). I never seen the button get out of line .The only other times the button has three or four bet has been was with AA or KK. Both blinds folded, so it is two bets back to me. Should I call or fold? I called. Was I way out of line?

We saw the flop three ways with $270 in the pot. The flop was Qs7s5d. I have top pair and a back door flush draw. What should I do?

I checked, the cutoff bet, the button raised. It was two bets to me. What do I do?

I called. Was this way out line? Part of the reason why I called was I felt that by calling both players had to fear I had QQ. This might allow me to get to the river cheaply. Was this wishful thinking? The cutoff just called.

There is now $390 in the pot. Fourth Street brings the Qh (Qs7s5d). Oh happy day! I check. Cutoff bets. Button calls. I check raise. Cutoff calls. Button folds. This seems pretty clear cut.

There is now $590 in the pot. The river the 7h (QhQ7s5d). I bet. The cutoff folds flashing AA. The botton claims to have folded KK on fourth street. I know I got lucky but did I play badly.

[andyfox]

Great post title.

With these opponents, I would have folded pre-flop when it was too more bets back to me, and folded again on the flop when it was two more bets back to me. Sooted, schmooted. Backdoor, schmackdoor. (I know Coilean will give me hell for this.) They've told you twice that they have big pocket pairs and the queen on the flop didn't scare them.

Get to the river cheap? What did you intend to do on the turn if you didn't catch a queen?

[mike l.]

"The cutoff folds flashing AA. The botton claims to have folded KK on fourth street. I know I got lucky but did I play badly."

OMG what a horrendously tough tight game! you need to find some place else to play, try online.

oh btw yes you played it hideously. it's the easiest fold in the world preflop after they cap it and i play much looser than you im sure.

[tpir90036]

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This might allow me to get to the river cheaply. Was this wishful thinking?

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yes.

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I know I got lucky but did I play badly.

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well you made a good read of the situation (which turned out to be correct) and thus knew that you were way behind....yet you still called two raises cold, twice.

[semipro50]

I would have folded to a bet if a diamond didn't come.

[andyfox]

OK, me too. But there's nothing in the play of the hand so far that would convince me I could get to the river cheap.

Anyway, we all have those hands where we suspected we didn't play well and ended up winning a big pot. (I assume you suspected as much, thus the post.) Good to post and get some views.

[Eric P]

If you are going to call two cold you are better off betting right out, hoping the guy next to your raises and the other guy folds, then proceed to peel off the turn, where you will get to check/raise. If you bet and it is three-bet it is a nearly hopeless situation as you can almost put them on KK and AA respectively getting 9-1 to call this extra two bets is better than getting 7-1 to call two cold... i guess. You should really have folded pre-flop to avoid all this ugliness, you know one of your cards is no good (one of them either has AA, AK, or QQ).

Turn, i would just bet out, you know at least one of them will call. Also it's nearly impossible for you to be losing (unless he DID get out of line and 3-bet with pocket seven's or something) so if you are raised you are now going to get even more money if you bet and they both call you make the same money and may make and extra bet on the river.

[John Feeney]

Your AQ was suited. Whatever you did with it is none of my concern. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Coilean]

Sorry to disappoint, but I can't really disagree with you much on this one andy /images/graemlins/tongue.gif. If he's right about the button only having AA-KK here, then preflop he's drawing to 3 cards 66% of the time, or to hit twice the other 33% of the time, and that's a best case scenario since it ignores what the cutoff might have. On the flop, he's getting 8.25:1 on a 66% 5-outer or 33% 2-outer (so basically a 4-outer) with a backdoor flush draw, probably with reverse implied odds on his ace and flush outs (again, something of a best case scenario since it ignores what the cutoff might have). So I don't really see anything wrong here with fold preflop, fold on the flop.

[DcifrThs]

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Turn, i would just bet out, you know at least one of them will call.

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Although its been stated and i totally agree even BEING in on the turn is wrong, your line here will never get the maximum profit here. if you bet they will call, and you are correct. but if you check, they will CERTAINLY bet their overpairs and you can RAISE and get more money out of them ... more than just betting out since they will not raise with overpairs when the top card pairs.

betting out here is a mistake to the tune of a few big bets.
-Barron

[Pipedream]

If a Queen-high rainbow flop would STILL make you nervous, you should not be calling preflop. I imagine you wouldn't even be too thrilled if it was Ace-high rainbow. The best flop scenario is one with a diamond draw, and even then you'll be paying through the tits. Make the fold.

Pipedream