Call a 3-bet from BB w/J5s? That's crazy talk, right?

[jacki]

Literally, my first hand. PT notes on the two MP players show that they're at least OK in the short term.


Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: JACKI is BB with 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="CC3333">MP1 <font color="purple">(Solid)</font> raises</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, <font color="CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Button folds, SB calls, JACKI calls, <font color="CC3333">UTG caps</font>, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 <font color="purple">(Solid)</font> calls, CO calls, SB calls, JACKI calls.
<font color="green"> I think it's important to note that CO is short stacked, so I don't give the 3bet as much credit as usual. The 3 limps before the raise, the SB's coldcall, and CO's stack convinced me I was at the right table for something as dumb (smart?) as this. </font>

Flop: (22 SB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(5 players) </font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">JACKI raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Solid folds, <font color="CC3333">CO caps</font>, SB calls, JACKI calls, UTG calls.
<font color="green"> Um, wow. can't do anything different here, right? </font>


Turn: (19 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(4 players) </font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">JACKI bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG raises</font>, CO calls $0.50 (All-In), SB calls, <font color="CC3333">JACKI 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, SB calls.


River: (28.12 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(4 players, 1 all-in) </font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">JACKI bets</font>, UTG calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 31.12 BB
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: 19.50 BB, between CO, SB, JACKI and UTG.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by JACKI (19.50 BB).</font>
<font color="#990066">Pot 2: 11.62 BB, between SB, JACKI and UTG.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by JACKI (11.62 BB).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
SB shows 8c Td (one pair, tens).
JACKI shows 5h Jh (flush, jack high).
UTG shows Ad Ah (one pair, aces). A case for not limpreraising.
CO shows 7s 5s (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: JACKI wins 31.12 BB. </font>

<font color="green"> So let me have it. How awful is that preflop call? </font>

[symphonic]

pretty awful. but we've all done it before.

[Bob T.]

Result
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=274081
pokenum -h ad ah - 7s 5s - 5h jh - 8c td
Holdem Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Ah 611637 56.32 473075 43.56 1296 0.12 0.563
7s 5s 183360 16.88 890056 81.96 12592 1.16 0.174
Jh 5h 127280 11.72 946136 87.12 12592 1.16 0.123
8c Td 151139 13.92 933573 85.96 1296 0.12 0.139

Uh, you were in last place preflop of the four hands shown. I think that should tell you what to do next time this comes up.

Good luck,
play well,

Bob T.

[bisonbison]

I don't think you actually want to hear comments on your preflop call. You got a big kick out of winning this hand, and that's fine, but your call is an abomination.

[ResidentParanoid]

Since you have now hit your 1 in 100 flop (or whatever) you can now fold such hands, as you know you should, whenever they come up in the future.