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Vagos
04-16-2004, 01:02 AM
The game is Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo. I'm in the BB with QQJT. Someone bets pot, another guy calls, the action's back to me and I bet pot. It should be noted that both players are guys I know to be crazy and loose. They will raise just about anything preflop. Limper calls, original raiser bets pot again. We both call, 3 way. Pot is now over $70. I have $70 in front of me. Flop is QT9. I lead out all in for $70. The original limper calls but he only has $32 left. The original raiser also calls. We turned up our hands and sure enough they were in preflop with garbage. The $32 caller has KJxx for the nuts. The raiser has absolutely nothing, a gutshot or some BS. Board doesn't pair, it comes rag rag. So the pot starts to get chopped up. I'm angry about this KJxx hand bustin up my queens. I toss my cards to the middle as the pot is being seperated into side pot and main pot. A couple of my friends then exclaim, "No man, you won the side pot!". I quickly realize I did indeed have claim to the pot but the raiser says no, my hand hit the muck. I'm a little surprised that he's being so stern about it. I argue for a minute or two but he's stuck on screwing me outta this $60 sidepot. I decide that's that and take off. My feeling is that since I turned up my hand after all the cards were out, I made my claim to the pot. You make the call.
-Andy

fsuplayer
04-16-2004, 10:15 AM
If you turned you cards up for others to see before you "tossed" them in the middle, the pot goes to you. If you were just pissed and didnt flip them over and threw them towards the middle, you mucked. As a rule of thumb, esp. in Omaha, always turn your cards face up at the end of a hand. People can misread the board, their own cards etc. and your hand might be good. Nothing worse than mucking a winner, whether its for the side pot or a huge main pot.
FsuPlayer

LetsRock
04-16-2004, 10:22 AM
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We turned up our hands...

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Your hand was tabled. You have every right to drag any portion of the pot that you won. Your friend is an a$$. Whatever happend to fun home games.

If you had mucked you cards before they wwere tabled, it would be hard to award you the side pot. BUt they were face up for everyone to see.

cferejohn
04-16-2004, 07:08 PM
If you turned up your hands after you were all all-in, your hand was tabled. Throwing it into the much afterwards is immaterial. You should have won that pot, and your "friend" is an "angle-shooting jerk".

BigBaitsim (milo)
04-17-2004, 02:18 PM
This was a home game right? Your "friend" is an [censored].

ThinkQuick
04-19-2004, 02:40 AM
100% correct.
This guy is trying to hijack the friendly home game nature by sticking hard to casino muck rules.
However, sticking to casino rules would give you the 1/2 pot.

If you're going to try and use some kind of rules, then players had better make sure that either they know them correctly, or else arbitrary parties make the call. Try referring to robert's rules of poker available on homepokertourney.com or else make your own rules on paper... Most home game rule disagreements have clear, decisive solutions in poker rule books, and this is no exception. Educate the table and then these ignorant stalemates won't happen again, and you'll be able to continue playing peacefully.