Alporfavor
04-12-2004, 10:57 PM
Here are the last 7 hands that i've had with JJ and flopped an overcard to my pair (From newest to oldest). Is calling down +EV in the long run do you think or am i getting lucky. Any spots you'd throw them away?
It seems that if i bet out the flop i'm good, but if i'm bet into or raised on the flop then i'm bad. Every time i raised with them preflop, so maybe they're presuming i've got AK, AQ or something... But then again i can't see most of them folding top pair either...
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Preflop: Hero is Button with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, CO calls.
Flop: (11 SB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, CO checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, UTG folds, UTG+2 calls, CO calls.
Turn: (7.50 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, CO checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, UTG+2 calls, CO calls.
River: (10.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
UTG+2 checks, <font color="CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds.
Final Pot: 12.50 BB
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: 12.50 BB, between CO and Hero.</font> > <font color="white">Pot won by Hero (12.50 BB).</font>
Results in white below: <font color="white">
CO shows 4c Ac (one pair, fours).
Hero shows Jh Js (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.50 BB. </font>
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.
Flop: (8 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls.
Turn: (6 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.
River: (8 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.
Final Pot: 10 BB
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: 10 BB, between BB and Hero.</font> > <font color="white">Pot won by BB (10 BB).</font>
Results in white below: <font color="white">
BB shows Jc Kh (one pair, kings).
Hero shows Jd Jh (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 10 BB. </font>
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Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.
Flop: (10 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, CO checks.
Turn: (5 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, CO folds, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls.
River: (8 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks.
Final Pot: 8 BB
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: 8 BB, between Hero, UTG and MP2.</font> > <font color="white">Pot won by Hero (8 BB).</font>
Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero shows Jd Jh (one pair, jacks).
UTG shows Jc 6c (one pair, sixes).
MP2 shows Td 9c (one pair, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 8 BB. </font>
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Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls, Button folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, CO calls.
Flop: (6 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, CO calls.
Turn: (4 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls.
River: (8 BB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 10 BB
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: 10 BB, between CO and Hero.</font> > <font color="white">Pot won by Hero (10 BB).</font>
Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero shows Jh Jc (two pair, jacks and tens).
CO shows 3h As (two pair, tens and threes).
Outcome: Hero wins 10 BB. </font>
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls.
Flop: (8.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, MP3 calls, BB folds, Hero calls.
Turn: (5.75 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls.
River: (8.75 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 11.75 BB
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: 11.75 BB, between Hero, MP2 and MP3.</font> > <font color="white">Pot won by MP2 (11.75 BB).</font>
Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero shows Jh Jd (two pair, jacks and threes).
MP2 shows Qh 8h (two pair, queens and eights).
MP3 shows 4h 4s (two pair, fours and threes).
Outcome: MP2 wins 11.75 BB. </font>
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO (poster) calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.
Flop: (7 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, SB calls.
Turn: (5 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO folds, SB calls.
River: (7 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.
Final Pot: 9 BB
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: 9 BB, between SB and Hero.</font> > <font color="white">Pot won by Hero (9 BB).</font>
Results in white below: <font color="white">
SB shows Th 8d (one pair, tens).
Hero shows Jc Js (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 9 BB. </font>
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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.
Flop: (7 SB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">CO raises</font>, SB folds, Hero calls.
Turn: (5.50 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.
River: (7.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 9.50 BB
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: 9.50 BB, between Hero and CO.</font> > <font color="white">Pot won by CO (9.50 BB).</font>
Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero shows Jc Js (one pair, jacks).
CO shows Qs Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: CO wins 9.50 BB. </font>
It seems that if i bet out the flop i'm good, but if i'm bet into or raised on the flop then i'm bad. Every time i raised with them preflop, so maybe they're presuming i've got AK, AQ or something... But then again i can't see most of them folding top pair either...
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Preflop: Hero is Button with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, CO calls.
Flop: (11 SB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, CO checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, UTG folds, UTG+2 calls, CO calls.
Turn: (7.50 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, CO checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, UTG+2 calls, CO calls.
River: (10.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
UTG+2 checks, <font color="CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds.
Final Pot: 12.50 BB
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: 12.50 BB, between CO and Hero.</font> > <font color="white">Pot won by Hero (12.50 BB).</font>
Results in white below: <font color="white">
CO shows 4c Ac (one pair, fours).
Hero shows Jh Js (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.50 BB. </font>
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.
Flop: (8 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls.
Turn: (6 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.
River: (8 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.
Final Pot: 10 BB
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: 10 BB, between BB and Hero.</font> > <font color="white">Pot won by BB (10 BB).</font>
Results in white below: <font color="white">
BB shows Jc Kh (one pair, kings).
Hero shows Jd Jh (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 10 BB. </font>
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Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.
Flop: (10 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, CO checks.
Turn: (5 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, CO folds, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls.
River: (8 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks.
Final Pot: 8 BB
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: 8 BB, between Hero, UTG and MP2.</font> > <font color="white">Pot won by Hero (8 BB).</font>
Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero shows Jd Jh (one pair, jacks).
UTG shows Jc 6c (one pair, sixes).
MP2 shows Td 9c (one pair, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 8 BB. </font>
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Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls, Button folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, CO calls.
Flop: (6 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, CO calls.
Turn: (4 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls.
River: (8 BB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 10 BB
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: 10 BB, between CO and Hero.</font> > <font color="white">Pot won by Hero (10 BB).</font>
Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero shows Jh Jc (two pair, jacks and tens).
CO shows 3h As (two pair, tens and threes).
Outcome: Hero wins 10 BB. </font>
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls.
Flop: (8.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, MP3 calls, BB folds, Hero calls.
Turn: (5.75 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls.
River: (8.75 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 11.75 BB
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: 11.75 BB, between Hero, MP2 and MP3.</font> > <font color="white">Pot won by MP2 (11.75 BB).</font>
Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero shows Jh Jd (two pair, jacks and threes).
MP2 shows Qh 8h (two pair, queens and eights).
MP3 shows 4h 4s (two pair, fours and threes).
Outcome: MP2 wins 11.75 BB. </font>
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO (poster) calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.
Flop: (7 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, SB calls.
Turn: (5 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO folds, SB calls.
River: (7 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.
Final Pot: 9 BB
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: 9 BB, between SB and Hero.</font> > <font color="white">Pot won by Hero (9 BB).</font>
Results in white below: <font color="white">
SB shows Th 8d (one pair, tens).
Hero shows Jc Js (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 9 BB. </font>
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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.
Flop: (7 SB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">CO raises</font>, SB folds, Hero calls.
Turn: (5.50 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.
River: (7.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 9.50 BB
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: 9.50 BB, between Hero and CO.</font> > <font color="white">Pot won by CO (9.50 BB).</font>
Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero shows Jc Js (one pair, jacks).
CO shows Qs Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: CO wins 9.50 BB. </font>