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04-11-2004, 04:26 PM
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1189906,00.html

"Why we must never abandon this historic struggle in Iraq

Tony Blair
Sunday April 11, 2004
The Observer

We are locked in a historic struggle in Iraq. On its outcome hangs more than the fate of the Iraqi people. Were we to fail, which we will not, it is more than 'the power of America' that would be defeated. The hope of freedom and religious tolerance in Iraq would be snuffed out. Dictators would rejoice; fanatics and terrorists would be triumphant. Every nascent strand of moderate Arab opinion, knowing full well that the future should not belong to fundamentalist religion, would be set back in bitter disappointment.

If we succeed - if Iraq becomes a sovereign state, governed democratically by the Iraqi people; the wealth of that potentially rich country, their wealth; the oil, their oil; the police state replaced by the rule of law and respect for human rights - imagine the blow dealt to the poisonous propaganda of the extremists. Imagine the propulsion toward change it would inaugurate all over the Middle East.

In every country, including our own, the fanatics are preaching their gospel of hate, basing their doctrine on a wilful perversion of the true religion of Islam. At their fringe are groups of young men prepared to conduct terrorist attacks however and whenever they can. Thousands of victims the world over have now died, but the impact is worse than the death of innocent people.

The terrorists prey on ethnic or religious discord. From Kashmir to Chechnya, to Palestine and Israel, they foment hatred, they deter reconciliation. In Europe, they conducted the massacre in Madrid. They threaten France. They forced the cancellation of the President of Germany's visit to Djibouti. They have been foiled in Britain, but only for now.

Of course they use Iraq. It is vital to them. As each attack brings about American attempts to restore order, so they then characterise it as American brutality. As each piece of chaos menaces the very path toward peace and democracy along which most Iraqis want to travel, they use it to try to make the coalition lose heart, and bring about the retreat that is the fanatics' victory.

They know it is a historic struggle. They know their victory would do far more than defeat America or Britain. It would defeat civilisation and democracy everywhere. They know it, but do we? The truth is, faced with this struggle, on which our own fate hangs, a significant part of Western opinion is sitting back, if not half-hoping we fail, certainly replete with schadenfreude at the difficulty we find.

So what exactly is the nature of the battle inside Iraq itself? This is not a 'civil war', though the purpose of the terrorism is undoubtedly to try to provoke one. The current upsurge in violence has not spread throughout Iraq. Much of Iraq is unaffected and most Iraqis reject it. The insurgents are former Saddam sympathisers, angry that their status as 'boss' has been removed, terrorist groups linked to al-Qaeda and, most recently, followers of the Shia cleric, Muqtada-al-Sadr.

The latter is not in any shape or form representative of majority Shia opinion. He is a fundamentalist, an extremist, an advocate of violence. He is wanted in connection with the murder of the moderate and much more senior cleric, Ayatollah al Khoei last year. The prosecutor, an Iraqi judge, who issued a warrant for his arrest, is the personification of how appallingly one-sided some of the Western reporting has become. Dismissed as an American stooge, he has braved assassination attempts and extraordinary intimidation in order to follow proper judicial process and has insisted on issuing the warrant despite direct threats to his life in doing so.

There you have it. On the one side, outside terrorists, an extremist who has created his own militia, and remnants of a brutal dictatorship which murdered hundreds of thousands of its own people and enslaved the rest. On the other side, people of immense courage and humanity who dare to believe that basic human rights and liberty are not alien to Arab and Middle Eastern culture, but are their salvation.

Over the past few weeks, I have met several people from the Iraqi government, the first genuine cross-community government Iraq had seen. People like Mrs Barwari, the Minister of Public Works, who has just survived a second assassination attempt that killed her bodyguard; people like Mr Zebari, the Foreign Minister. They are intelligent, forward-looking, tolerant, dedicated to their country. They know that 'the occupation' can be used to stir up anti-coalition feeling; they, too, want their country governed by its people and no one else. But they also know that if we cut and run, their country would be at the mercy of warring groups which are united only in their distaste for democracy.

The tragedy is that outside of the violence which dominated the coverage of Iraq, there are incredible possibilities of progress. There is a huge amount of reconstruction going on; the legacy of decades of neglect is slowly being repaired.

By 1 June, electricity will be 6,000MW, 50 per cent more than prewar, but short of the 7,500MW they now need because of the massive opening up of the economy, set to grow by 60 per cent this year and 25 per cent the next.

The first private banks are being opened. A new currency is in circulation. Those in work have seen their salaries trebled or quadrupled and unemployment is falling. One million cars have been imported. Thirty per cent now have satellite TV, once banned, where they can watch al-Jazeera, the radical Arab TV station, telling them how awful the Americans are.

The internet is no longer forbidden. Shrines are no longer shut. Groups of women and lawyers meet to discuss how they can make sure the new constitution genuinely promotes equality. The universities eagerly visit Western counterparts to see how a modern, higher-education system, free to study as it pleases, would help the new Iraq.

People in the West ask: why don't they speak up, these standard-bearers of the new Iraq? Why don't the Shia clerics denounce al-Sadr more strongly? I understand why the question is asked. But the answer is simple: they are worried. They remember 1991, when the West left them to their fate. They know their own street, unused to democratic debate, rife with every rumour, and know its volatility. They read the Western papers and hear its media. And they ask, as the terrorists do: have we the stomach to see it through?

I believe we do. And the rest of the world must hope that we do. None of this is to say we do not have to learn and listen. There is an agenda that could unite the majority of the world. It would be about pursuing terrorism and rogue states on the one hand and actively remedying the causes around which they flourish on the other: the Palestinian issue; poverty and development; democracy in the Middle East; dialogue between main religions.

I have come firmly to believe the only ultimate security lies in our values. The more people are free, the more tolerant they are of others; the more prosperous, the less inclined they are to squander that prosperity on pointless feuding and war.

But our greatest threat, apart from the immediate one of terrorism, is our complacency. When some ascribe, as they do, the upsurge in Islamic extremism to Iraq, do they really forget who killed whom on 11 September 2001? When they call on us to bring the troops home, do they seriously think that this would slake the thirst of these extremists, to say nothing of what it would do to the Iraqis?

Or if we scorned our American allies and told them to go and fight on their own, that somehow we would be spared? If we withdraw from Iraq, they will tell us to withdraw from Afghanistan and, after that, to withdraw from the Middle East completely and, after that, who knows? But one thing is for sure: they have faith in our weakness just as they have faith in their own religious fanaticism. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us.

It is not easy to persuade people of all this; to say that terrorism and unstable states with WMD are just two sides of the same coin; to tell people what they don't want to hear; that, in a world in which we in the West enjoy all the pleasures, profound and trivial, of modern existence, we are in grave danger.

There is a battle we have to fight, a struggle we have to win and it is happening now in Iraq."

superleeds
04-11-2004, 08:23 PM
Tony Blair is just an opportunist politician in the best tradition of American politics. If he really gave a rats arse about democracy in the middle east why hasn't he suggested to buddie boy George that they invade Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Syria, Iran, Bahrain et al.

MMMMMM
04-11-2004, 09:04 PM
Iran and/or Syria maybe sometime after the election. Then again, maybe not.

nicky g
04-12-2004, 01:17 PM
Fine words from someone sunning himself on a yacht in Bermuda.

MMMMMM
04-12-2004, 01:29 PM
Glad to hear he is on a nice vacation--he has certainly earned it.

superleeds
04-12-2004, 01:41 PM
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Glad to hear he is on a nice vacation--he has certainly earned it.

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Yep. It is certainly hard work lying to a whole nation and then using the American spin that it wasn't WMD stupid, it was to show the rest of the region how a democracy works.

'Now pass me the Chablis, Cheri, fancy a swim later. Oh and I hope none of our boys in Iraq bought it today, don't want to be bothered by the press on holiday'

nicky g
04-12-2004, 02:29 PM
Tony Blair makes me sick, even more so than even Bush, who is just a blatant liar and thief motivated by greed and ideology; well, there are plenty of those. Blair on the other hand seems to actually believe the increasingly insane, pompous messianic rubbish that emanates from his flatulent arse. He talks more and more like someone who ahs lost all contact with ther real world; does he even follow the news anymore?


"If we succeed - if Iraq becomes a sovereign state, governed democratically by the Iraqi people; the wealth of that potentially rich country, their wealth; the oil, their oil; the police state replaced by the rule of law and respect for human rights - imagine the blow dealt to the poisonous propaganda of the extremists. Imagine the propulsion toward change it would inaugurate all over the Middle East."

A sovereign state that has already had its laws changed and national assets illegally privatised by illegal foreign invaders. A country not just "potentially" rich but previously rich, on nationalised oil wealth invested in the country rather than western oil majors pockets, which had the highest standard of living in the Middle East and briefly on a par with Southern Europe, before the deliberately prolonged war with Iran, in which the West armed both sides, and more than a decade of crippling sanctions put it in its place.

As for a tolerant example to the Middle East, couldn't that have been bought a just little cheaper by presure on brutal corrupt Western allies: Egypt, Saudi Arabia, now Libya? By a refusal to sell those countries weapons, by straightforward denunciation of their human rights records rather than pathetic praise of near non-existent reform? By tying aid to democratisation rather than to bribed peace with Israel, which itself has zero respect for human rights, internatinal law or the sovereignty or self-determination of the Palestinians? WOuldn't such progress have been helped by even a single word about human rights in Blair's disgusting back slap for Gaddafi, rather staging a laughably blatant PR stunt around Gaddafi's renunciation of his non-existant WMDs?

"This is not a 'civil war', though the purpose of the terrorism is undoubtedly to try to provoke one."

We know that Tony, it's a fight between increasingly united factions of Iraqis and the coalition.

"The current upsurge in violence has not spread throughout Iraq. Much of Iraq is unaffected and most Iraqis reject it."

Just as much of Iraq - an outright majority, according to the very opinion poll that the pro-war side used to justify the invasion, rejects the occupation.

On Sadr: "The latter is not in any shape or form representative of majority Shia opinion. He is a fundamentalist, an extremist, an advocate of violence."

Are you talking about yourself and Bushy here, Tone? Sure sounds like it. Nah, you guys would never resort to violence, never use religion to justify your actions, are always in there negotiating, letting talks and inspections prevail. The prime minister who has taken the UK to war more times than any other condemning men of violence; what a disgusting spectacle.

"He is wanted in connection with the murder of the moderate and much more senior cleric, Ayatollah al Khoei last year."

Al Khoei was killed by an angry local mob when they attacked a visiting cleric they regarded as pro-Saddam and involved in the murder of Sadr's father and al Khoei tried to intervene. One of many tragedies in the lawless aftermath of the invasion but hardly directly attributable to Sadr, who called for peaceful protest until the coalition shut down his newspapers, killed his liuetenatn and fired on crowds of protestors. Funny how this warrant has only surfaced now, along with ridiculous stories such as the claim by the CPA that Sadr stole "several hundred dollars" from a religious collection. Did he pull faces at Mr Bremer as well?

"Over the past few weeks, I have met several people from the Iraqi government, the first genuine cross-community government Iraq had seen. People like Mrs Barwari, the Minister of Public Works, who has just survived a second assassination attempt that killed her bodyguard; people like Mr Zebari, the Foreign Minister. They are intelligent, forward-looking, tolerant, dedicated to their country. "
Did you also talk to those members of the council denouncing coalition actions around Falluja as war crimes too?

"We know that 'the occupation' can be used to stir up anti-coalition feeling"

Oh I see, now there's no occupation; it's just a rhetorical construct, like the "war" and the "sanctions" and the "siege" of Falluja and the "thousands" of "civilians" who've died at the hands of the coalition? That's handy.

"they, too, want their country governed by its people and no one else. But they also know that if we cut and run, their country would be at the mercy of warring groups which are united only in their distaste for democracy."

That's right, you know best. The invasion was in the name of democracy but the occupation must go on, whether the IRaqis accept it or not.

"Thirty per cent now have satellite TV, once banned, where they can watch al-Jazeera, the radical Arab TV station, telling them how awful the Americans are."

They can't watch al-Jazeera or al-Arabiya cover Governing COuncil proceedings though, because the CPA banned them for the crime of referring to the insurgents as the "resistance". despite the fact that Western outlets used exactly the same terminology. They can't read the newspapers closed down by the CPA either. No doubt AJ killed the women and children it is denounced for showing itself just to get one over on the coalition. Imagine, showing the victims of coalition actions. What a terribly irresponsible thing to do. DOn't they know we're on our yachts, eating our dinner?

"It is not easy to persuade people of all this; to say that terrorism and unstable states with WMD are just two sides of the same coin"

What WMD? The WMD that Saddam didn't have, and wasn't going to give to terrorist groups he wasn;t supporting? That WMD? Where have you been for the past year? Oh that's right, shaking hands with dictators that make you look good and cavorting at your millionaire pals holiday homes. No time to read your own intelligence experts reports never mind turn on the television.

nicky g
04-12-2004, 02:30 PM
My thoughts precisely.

nicky g
04-12-2004, 03:37 PM
My characterisation of Sadr's involvement in al Khoei's murder looks to have have been glib and likely wrong; it was based on several articles and obituaries I found dating from immediately after the event. Some more up-to-date articles suggest Sadr may have been involved or at least refused to help al Khoei (I was under the impression Sadr was somewhere else at the time). The Newsweek article below, from a couple of months after the event, goes into a fair bit of detail. Nevertheless the simultaneous closing down of the Hawza newspaper by the coalition, on the absurd grounds that it was inciting violence by printing a quote from an eyewitness who claimed that a coalition rocket rather than a bomb was responsible for a blast at a Baghdad mosque, was an incredibly stupid, not to mention unjustifiably repressive, move if the coalition were genuinely interested in going after Sadr on judicial rather than political grounds.

Al Khoei Killing (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3068555/)