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J.R.

04-10-2004, 10:41 PM

Playing full 3-6 after lots of 6-max. These hands are much easier for me to play in 6-max games because I have a better feel for the range of hands this type of aggression may represent and I get to see my opponents play more hands, so I can get a better feel on what they are up to. I didn't have good reads other than the open limper in Hand 1 was loose and my opponent in Hand 2 was the turn caller from Hand 1. I was new to the table in Hand 3 and choose the aggressive line because its my default in 6 max games. Either way, I was unsure what to do had a non flush card rivered. I had a lot of convoluted thinking in Hand 2

Hand 1
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 (loose and weak) calls, Hero raises, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB (Villan in Hand 2) calls, MP1 (loose and weak) calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Villan in Hand 2 checks, loose and weak checks, Hero bets, Villan in Hand 2 calls, loose and weak folds.

Turn: (4.16 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Villan in Hand 2 checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.16 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Villan in Hand 2 checks, Hero bets, Villan in Hand 2 folds.

Final Pot: 5.16 BB
Main Pot: 4.16 BB, won by Hero.
Pot 2: 1 BB, overbet by Hero.

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Kh Jc (two pair, queens and jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 5.16 BB. 

Hand 2
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. MP3 posts a blind of $3.
UTG folds, Hero raises, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 (poster) calls, CO (Caller in hand 1) calls, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: (7.33 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 folds, Caller in hand 1 raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.66 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Caller in hand 1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.66 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Caller in hand 1 checks.

Final Pot: 7.66 BB
Main Pot: 7.66 BB, between Hero and Caller in hand 1. > Pot won by Hero (7.66 BB).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Jc Jd (one pair, jacks).
Caller in hand 1 shows 9d 8h (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins 7.66 BB. 

Hand 3
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Hero raises, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (9 SB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, Button calls, SB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, UTG calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets, UTG calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB
Main Pot: 12.50 BB, between Button and UTG. > Pot won by UTG (12.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
UTG shows Ad Qc (one pair, queens).
Button shows 7c 8s (high card, queen).
Outcome: UTG wins 12.50 BB.

MortalNuts

04-11-2004, 03:44 AM

I think hands 1 and 2 are both fine, though you could make an argument for check-raising the turn in hand 2. whatever.

I'm curious what others think of hand 3. On the one hand, I'm not thrilled about the flop raise, because an EP player just bet into you after you raised PF -- sure, he might be betting a draw or betting because hey, betting is fun, but surely he has TP here a decent chunk of the time. But folding seems weak, and calling gives button and SB a cheap shot at gutshots and the like. Blech. On the turn, I am similarly clueless -- part of me actually likes a check here, because UTG+1 may then put you on a flush draw and bet all kinds of hands that you beat on the river, plus you really don't know where you're at (would QJ have 3-bet you on the flop or bet the turn?). But you also might well be ahead, and don't want to give a free card with cold-calling button in the action. Blech again.

sweet: probably my most unhelpful post ever. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

cheers,

mn

joker122

04-11-2004, 04:39 AM

I'll give it my best.
Hand 1: Raising KJo PF seems a little LAG, but it's definately not a multiway hand so an argument could be made. The check on the turn is good. The river bet is probably very thin though.

Hand 2: I'd think you'd have to fold the flop if you didn't have your 2 backdoor draws. But since you did the rest of the hand was played well, IMO. Would you have folded to a river bet? I think you should have. Lucky he was a maniac.

Hand 3: The flop is a raise/fold situation and I'd probably do each the same amount of time. Since you raised a bet is the right play on the turn. On the river I don't think there is any way your hand is good, so good check n' fold.