Bonus Poaching when Blackjack is not allowed

[The WET BEAVER]

Some casinos do not allow blackjack when bonus poaching. If so, then which is the best alternative game(s) to play?

I heard that deuces wild video poker actually has a slight player edge if you use optimum strategy. If this is true, where can you obtain the strategy chart?

[Thythe]

Check out http://wizardofodds.com/ for all the strategy cards you could possibly need. Video Poker is definitely the best substitute for blackjack and if you can find the right game you'll have a small edge. Prepare for huge swings though.

[GrannyMae]

I heard that deuces wild video poker actually has a slight player edge if you use optimum strategy.

no full pay machines online that i can find of deuces. play JoB (9/6) and if that is restricted play A&F (8/5)

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[Webster]

Thats ALL I can find for Jacks - every casino I go to is Full pay - all dueces are actually Midwestern DWs and only 96% pay back and dueces. Also playing ONE coin will reduce the loss rate by a 4:1 factor.

O love dueces and won $1000 at Diamond casino with 2222 but they are not the game to bonus whore on.

[GrannyMae]

Also playing ONE coin will reduce the loss rate by a 4:1 factor.

huh??

please explain

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[Adde]

Microgamings 9/6 Jacks or Better (with max coins) has a 99.56% payout, which is roughly the same as for blackjack, but it also has higher swings because that payout percentage is based on that one royal flush is hit during your session.

When I decide whether to take a video poker bonus or not, I use the payout percentage without a royal flush (and also without a straight flush) to calculate the EV.

Not counting RF gives 97.58%, and not counting SF gives 97.04%. With a 3% house edge you will lose $30 for every $1000 wagered. A 100%, max $100 bonus with 15x WR ($3000) is then almost even money (+$10), and 50% bonuses are most likely always -EV.

Adde

[Piers]

This site might help http://www.betterbytes.com/TomSki/VPSM.asp and Wizards of Odds of course.

Also check out Cryptologic Double Bonus, Real Time gaming Joker Poker and Playtech Megajack progressive. In Playthech the double button is I believe the middle one.

Usually expect to loose your deposit plus bonus if you play Video Poker.

[GrannyMae]

Usually expect to loose your deposit plus bonus if you play Video Poker


i don't agree. however, maybe a bunch of us here are on lucky streaks. given that there are few places that allow BJ anymore, it may be the only shot to try.

i'm still waiting for webster to explain that comment above. i'm assuming the loss rate will drop by 4 units because he is putting in 1 unit instead of 5. other than that, it makes no sense. actually is a dumb play because the royal on 1 coin never pays a premium so you are not maximizing.

also, microgaming deuces 4 play has a much different pay chart than the single play version. the power poker is top heavier for pay combinations.

i would be interested if anyone knows of any changes that need to be made to the a&f auto-player similar to the "fixes" needed for blackjack

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[Adde]

Usually expect to loose your deposit plus bonus if you play Video Poker.

Not if you do as I explained in the post above.

As to websters post, I don't get it either, you're not alone Granny. Come sit by my park bench and I'll spare some of my cognac. Only thing I get is that you slow down your rate (loss or win) by 4:1 (or 5:1) if you bet 1 coin instead of max. Betting all but max coins is a bad move. Webster, please explain.

By the way, i absolutley LOVE JoB power poker. I usually don't play power poker cause it's so fast when you run bad, but I got some comp money and had a shot at it. Don't you love it when you play 4 hands max coins and get a 4 of a kind as a starting hand!?! Up from £60 to £270, still digging. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[GrannyMae]

Only thing I get is that you slow down your rate (loss or win) by 4:1 (or 5:1) if you bet 1 coin instead of max.

this makes perfect sense to avoid the variance when playing blackjack, but to forfeit that premium for max coins on the royal defeats the purpose and dilutes the payback. i assumed your numbers were to illustrate the hold percentages if one does not hit the royal, but you were not suggesting playing less than max coins, right? i think webster needs to re-evaluate that strategy.

i notice that a few viper sites offer penny bets on most games. i would reccomend that if people don't want the variance, they should seek these sites and adjust the base bet. playing a penny, nicke or dime at max coins is surely smarter than playing 1 unit at a time.

some might not know it (i know YOU do adde), but unlike land based casinos, these payback numbers don't change with coin denominations.

i never play JoB adde. i find it boring. i know it is my best odds, but i only play the power poker and hit tons of quads. with JoB, it is such a grind unless you hit a SF or Royal. those happen so rarely that it makes me snoozy. that's why i give up a small advantage to make it more fun. also, i have noticed that many WR's specify no JoB, or allow only a fraction to count toward the WR.

i LOVE congac adde. go get a bottle of something v.s.o.p. and tell me where to be
(granny don't drink nothing with only 2 letters)

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[Webster]

Just taken from my book on Vid poker that has the perfect plays for about 100 games.

"Some of the more subtle points when compared to Neveda Dueces Poker

a (Hold 2 pairs. The 4 for 1 on Full House (not 3) makes this mod necessary

v
b - Play King-high 2 cd Royal. The payout of 3 for 1 on Flush (not 2) causes this mod

c - One coin play will reduce the players loss rate by a 4:1 factor.

I THINK what he is saying is that the royal will hit 1/44,000 and since it's only a 96% payout you will last LONGER with 1 coin.

That's all I know

pay table for THAT comment is as follows
RF 800
4D 200
WR 20
5ofK 10
SF 8
4K 4
FH 4
Flush 3
Str 2
3K 1

[GrannyMae]

RF 800
4D 200
WR 20
5ofK 10
SF 8
4K 4
FH 4
Flush 3
Str 2
3K 1

i don't think you will find this above pay table online. anyway, full play deuces is 4k = 5 and i have never seen that.

btw, the beauty of viper is that you don't need ANY strategy. auto-hold is perfect play. i see you have to tweak the BJ player, but have never heard of any problems with VP.

if you find a full pay deuces, let us know.

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[Adde]

i LOVE congac adde. go get a bottle of something v.s.o.p. and tell me where to be.
(granny don't drink nothing with only 2 letters)

I always drink cognac when playing poker, funny thing though, never when I do the casinos. Since I drink that much (or I should say little but often) I settle with a cheaper "Gronstedts *** VS". Very tasty indeed, despite those missing two letters.

I once had a glass of 100 years old cognac at a restaurant. Rather pricy ($25 per centiliter I think it was), but oh so fine. Will that one do?

Adde

[GrannyMae]

Rather pricy ($25 per centiliter I think it was), but oh so fine. Will that one do?

it depends..

what the FUK is a centiliter? is it bigger than a thimble? i like my congnac by the pint, and VERY pale.

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