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Gamblor
04-09-2004, 01:04 PM
Hand that confused me and made me question my fundamentals. Stakes don't matter so I posted it here.

Loose-passive game.

3 limpers to me in the CO. I limp with 76s. Not enough limpers? 4.5-1 no good on PF action, implied odds notwithstanding?

Flop comes Q62 two-tone, none of my suit.

MP bettor, one folds, I call.

I felt like I handed them my wallet and said "here!".

Was I out of line?

sublime
04-09-2004, 01:30 PM
Preflop-I would fold, but I am fairly new and you could probably play this hand a lot better that me post flop.

Flop-I "guess" it depends on you read of the villian, but what exatcly are you drawing to? Whats the best case scenario?

J.R.
04-09-2004, 01:46 PM
Preflop is routine (did you consider raising), flop you are getting about 6.5-1 (depending on rake and sb, and button's prelfop action) but you are not closing the action. Are there likely check-raise candidates, and did the button limp behind you prelfop? You have 5 outs, 1 or 2 of which are potentially tainted, depending on the suits on the flop. Do people play draws aggressively in this game? Will they give you action if you turn trips or 2 pair?

Generally speaking, I think the flop call is a little thin.

47outs
04-09-2004, 02:47 PM
I will almost always fold in this situation. This bet into you is not a semi-bluff and additionaly 2 pair is not a draw. However, add a single spade on the flop and I will generally call to pick up the 3rd six/2 pair or another spade.

OT. How are we making out getting a bunch of 2+2 ers to a game at one of our local casinos in Ontario? (this was you that originally came up with this idea right?)

Cheers,
OutS

Tosh
04-09-2004, 03:05 PM
Your limp preflop is fine.

LetsRock
04-09-2004, 03:34 PM
Your limp preflop is thin, but a good play occasionally.

Your flop call was pretty much just giving away your money, unless the bettor was a known buyer. This is exactly why limping with marginal hands is a problem - you catch a piece of the flop and start feeling lucky, so you might just keep chasing.

Six_of_One
04-09-2004, 04:45 PM
With 3 limpers ahead of me pre-flop, I make this call every time, especially in a loose passive game.

SinCityGuy
04-09-2004, 04:57 PM
Preflop, I would play it 100% of the time against three limpers.

I would fold to the flop bet.

Gamblor
04-09-2004, 09:22 PM
Yeah that was me... we had 3 people who were in...

and no casino in Ontario was willing to give us a table unless we all showed up at the same time. We'll see about the new one in Niagara that's supposed to be spreading games.

Spyder
04-10-2004, 11:44 AM
Rock, how does this fit in with the ideas in Ed Miller's post saying that with middle pair we should call'em down?

I had some problems with that post, but, I'm trying to puzzle them out in my head.

Spyder

jonnyv
04-10-2004, 12:26 PM
I would call this preflop with three limpers. I might take a card off on the turn, but what do you do if your check raised? Better to fold since you only have five outs. This flop really didn't hit you hard enough.

bernie
04-10-2004, 12:51 PM
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Stakes don't matter so I posted it here.


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I love this description. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif A description of stakes really has no bearing on how the table is playing.

I wouldnt have called it. But if i wanted to continue on, i might raise it and really blow some chips.

b

Gamblor
04-10-2004, 02:41 PM
Rock, how does this fit in with the ideas in Ed Miller's post saying that with middle pair we should call'em down?

I think you should be more inclined to try to draw to two pair/trips/backdoor draws if you are closing the action on the flop.

You would absolutely hate a raise behind in this spot.

Diplomat
04-11-2004, 02:21 AM
I think the pre-flop call is fine, but close, and your decision to call/raise/fold should hinge on how aggressive and loose the button is (and no insane players in the blinds).

The problem on the flop is 5-fold: overcard to your pair, your kicker is not an overcard to the board, the caller, the flushdraw, and your relative position. I think it's too thin to continue past here.

-Diplomat