Animosity towards young players..

[Joe826]

I'm a reasonably young (and reasonably new) player myself. I'm just wondering how all you older players feel about the recent influx of young players. I've been sensing alot of animosity lately towards the younger players at the local casinos (they let 18 year olds in). Some will even openly talk down to me at the table. This usually doesn't bother me since these players are generally the maniacs that pay me off, but I still don't think there is a place for it. If anything, experienced players should be thrilled at the new source of foolish players that bring their money to the table.

[Tosh]

Some people are bitter about losing their money to someone a lot younger than them. I just remember they're the ones with the problem as I count my chips.

[deacsoft]

I too am a younger (but well over 18) poker player, and I have a baby face to boot and I love it. I get no respect when I sit down at the table except from those few other players that see me there 3 or 4 times a week. Although I'm not picked on, because the players are mostly friendly, I am often reffered to as "kid", "boy" "young man", and what ever else. They assume because I'm young and look even younger that I don't know how to play very well. They are older and have egos to feed and getting beat up by some "kid" isn't on their list of things to do today. They fail to recognize my ability untill it's too late. They're heading to the ATM and I'm stacking their chips. I agree that all players should be treated equal just as in any other place in life. No one should be disrespecting anyone else. At least no out loud. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Those young players who do have this happen to them need only learn the game as well as you can and get them back on the table.

My main point here is this...
Players should be judged only by quality and style of play for purposes of potential profit. Judged maybe even to strong of a word. I do not agree with people looking and talking down to younger players (and it does happen). However, I love it when they do it to me. Underestimation is a bad mistake.

[astroglide]

a lot of them will tell you they've been playing poker for 25 years, but don't believe it; most have played poker for 1 year, and repeated that year 24 times.

[Vehn]

How zen.

[JTrue]

I find most older players usually will not give a younger player any respect. This can work out for the younger player though.

[daryn]

how Vehn.

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[GuyOnTilt]

Hey Joe,

I think the main reason older and more aged poker players like myself can't stand youngsters in our game is because they're just....young. And usually annoying. They slow the game down for us by hemming and hawing over a preflop limp, or they sit there for 40 seconds and scratch their head on the river after they were raised on the turn and checked to their opponent on a red deuce on the river. They constantly spout Rounders lines and do their stupid, annoying, horrible Russian Malkovich impersonations and wear their dumb reflective sunglasses to the tables thinking they're such hot stuff. They play horrible poker and win pots with trash and think they deserve to, but the only word that you'll hear out of their mouth when they miss a draw or get sucked out on by a cooperative 15-outer is, "unreal".

Like I said, older and more aged players like myself can't help but look down upon the new influx of poker youth. They're just so... young.

GoT

[tolbiny]

"I believe you had two '50s and moved right on into the 70's"
Its baseball season- time to break out the field of dreams quotes- i think i'll rent the natural this weekend

[Joe826]

Hey - Yeah that's totally understandable. Most of them are extremely annoying/terrible, and I guess I can deal with the generalization since they usually don't mind me so much when they realize I have atleast some sort of hand selection heh. I was playing in a casino in WA last week and there was a kid with the sun glasses and all. He didn't look a day over 18. Anyways, it was obvious he had no clue what he was doing. He was heads up with a gruff/vocal old timer and they were seated right next to each other. Anyways one of the kids' friends literally came up behind the two of them, look at the cowboy's cards, and told his friend to raise him. The kid did it, and the cowboy had the nut flush vs. the kid's two pair. Everyone at the table died laughing while he got ridiculed and just got up and left. I guess the dealer should have done something, but he claimed he didn't hear what he said heh. You've seen some decent younger kids though right?

[GuyOnTilt]

I was playing in a casino in WA last week and there was a kid with the sun glasses and all. He didn't look a day over 18.

Tell me about it...Nothing pisses me off more than these kids fresh out of school coming into those 18+ cardrooms up in WA (I used to live there). What's even more aggrevating for me is kids UNDER 21 who play at the 21+ clubs!!! I mean, who the hell do they think they are?!! Nothing but a bunch of young, annoying punks if you ask me.

You've seen some decent younger kids though right?

Yeah, occassionally I see a guy who looks like he could be in his late 20's who's pretty decent. If the young ones feel the urge to get vocal at the table, I usually tell him, "Hey kid, where'd you get your buy-in? Your mother's piggybank? I have T-shirts older than you, Sonny," and that shuts them up pretty good. They might make some comment about my grey beard or receding hairline under their breath, but you won't see them trying to play the role of table captain again. They either shut up, or get out of the cardroom where those young kids belong. Anybody below the age of 25 has no business playing poker at my table. Bunch of punks.

GoT

[jasonHoldEm]

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Anybody below the age of 25 has no business playing poker at my table. Bunch of punks.


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LMAO...if you didn't have a strongbad avatar you might be able to keep this up all night. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[uuDevil]

About a year ago I was playing in Vegas (first time, just passing through) in a 4/8 game at the Bellagio. A young (early-to-mid-20's), short, nerdy-looking kid sits down on my left. At the other end of the table is a row of geezers who look like they've been there since prohibition, anchored by a particularly nasty old troll. After a couple of hours, the kid has collected a pile of chips. (Thankfully, few of them are mine, as he was rarely in a hand with me.)

Anyway, as I'm a little ahead, but have been outdrawn by the troll one too many times, I feel like it's time to call it a night. I say to the kid, "I'd wish you luck, but it doesn't look like you need it." He mumbles something about it being "a light table," and makes a quick move toward his chips. Across the table, the old troll visibly flinches, and I smile as I walk away.

Since starting to read these boards, I've often wondered if that "kid" might have been someone we all know....

[ZeeJustin]

I'm 18 and I do not believe anyone over the age of 25 should be allowed in a public cardroom. I feel bad taking money from senile fogies that were let out of the retirement home for the weekend. There was this 29 year old I played with last week, and the dealer kept having to pause the game to whipe the drool and spit off of his chin. It was disgusting. He even took his false teeth out at one point.

[Tosh]

You're getting a bit of an ego since you turned 15 aren't you ?

[deathtoau]

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I find most older players usually will not give a younger player any respect. This can work out for the younger player though.

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I know I have certainly used it to my advantage. I try to cultivate my table image to reinforce the young and dumb stereotype. The only thing I don’t do is the whole sunglass thing, one of my first times playing at the Trop, a young kid had mirrored glasses and flashed the entire table his hole cards every time he looked (not that I paid attention or anything /images/graemlins/grin.gif ). People want to look down on me and I don’t mind because by the end of the session, I get to look down at their chips in my stack.

Of course, it seems to me that the people who dislike the young players the most are the middle-aged men who have ego problems and are playing poker to try to prove they are still young and competitive. They see us under 30 year olds as everything they aren’t any more and it puts them in a psychological disadvantage and makes them tilt so much easier. Keep disrespecting the younger player, it helps pay my mortgage.

[Chris Daddy Cool]

GoT,
Dude, you'd hate to play at my table. I'm under 25 AND I can get pretty talkative. But I've seen older folks that are just as bad as the young'ns.

Chris

[jedi]

I'm young and Asian. That's 2 stereotypes working in my favor. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Chris Daddy Cool]

Me too! ASIANS=GAMBLING right? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[bdk3clash]

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I'm young and Asian.

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Re-ray! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Duke]

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I'm young and Asian. That's 2 stereotypes working in my favor.

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The Asian maniac stereotype is only foolproof when the subject has about 4 teeth and hasn't had a bath in 2 years.

Oddly enough, this same stereotype can be applied to any human being with 4 teeth and a lack of hygeine.

~D

[Warik]

I love when the older folks start talking trash about me to each other when my flopped 4-flush hits on the river, when I fill up against a flush, or when I check-raise anybody on the flop. It's always something along the lines of "the river saved him. he had nothing and stayed in!" or "you have to be stupid to think someone is going to fold for just another dollar." The funny part is that they mumble it to each other in Spanish not realizing that a) I speak Spanish and b) I put Superman's hearing to shame.

[GuyOnTilt]

You're getting a bit of an ego since you turned 15 aren't you ?

Okay, fine, I'm done. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Btw, Sevendust is sweet. Morgan Rose is the man.

GoT

[csuf_gambler]

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I'm young and Asian. That's 2 stereotypes working in my favor. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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werd dat sh!t cuh

[jdl22]

Is speaking Spanish legal? Obviously you don't mind because it gives you an edge, but have they changed the rules in some cardrooms so that they're English and Spanish only?

[Warik]

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Is speaking Spanish legal? Obviously you don't mind because it gives you an edge, but have they changed the rules in some cardrooms so that they're English and Spanish only?

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They speak between hands... and sometimes during hands while the dealers keep saying "English only" even though they and 99.99% of the players in the card room and slot machine area speak Spanish as well.

I've never seen anybody asked to leave for speaking Spanish.

I guess they let everybody get away with it because we're in Miami.

[Eihli]

where are you from where they let you in at 18?

[bernie]

I think the animosity goes both ways. You have the young players (not close to all) who come in after seeing rounders and zipping through a book. Cracking hands with crap starters and thinking they're the best and the game is easy. All the while basking in their short term results while talking down to other players. Then the table coaching starts...

The older players can be just as bad. Never learning much of the game other than how to let others draw cheap/free then bitching about being sucked out on and how they'd rather only be beat by 'good' hands. So they see the young players come in, and dont give them any credit for anything.

That said, i've played with a few younger guys who were pretty good. Albeit, a wee overconfident, but pleasant to play with none the less. The overconfidence, i think, is rooted in the fact they havent gone through that first big downslide yet.

I think it's about even between the old and young players.

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[pzhon]

"I represented AK for three streets, and it would have worked if it weren't for those meddling kids."

[benfranklin]

It is clear from the discussion here that the thread should have been called "Animosity towards people who are different from me." Everyone has it to some degree. It's why people with green skin hate people who have purple skin, this religion hates that religion, and most every race has racial epithets for every other race.

Sociology and philosophy aside, it can cost you a lot of money at the table, if you play the appearance rather than the player. It can also earn you money if you take advantage of your image. Advertise that you are playing according to type, then change gears.

I was actually able to take advantage of it online recently. With 3 players left in a SnG, the loose aggressive big chip leader got it into his head that I was a kid of about 15 because I was varying my bets so much (turn those digits around to get a little closer to the truth). He went on major tilt, and I knocked him out in the next 2-3 hands that I played in. He was calling anything (and calling me a bunch of words all spelled XXXX) because he was convinced I was a clueless kid betting or folding randomly.

[wrongpond]

I am a younger player myself (barely 21) and, I have a baby face, so I really get the flak from the older guys. However a fair amount of my playing to date has been with people pretty close to my age. I've seen players hassle others the same age over things like their clothes, haircut, vocabulary, and the list goes on. My point is not that everyone gets hassled it's who's doing the hassling. Its always some guy with an aggressive style who just got some of the air let out of his ego by the victim of his taunts. Instead of keeping a low profile until he has a chance to beat his victim, he picks on them, but the victim still has his chips, and is now thinking "This guys a genuine a**hole, and he's not gonna see action from me unless I've got him beat." (more or less) He doesn't want to give anything back to this guy, but even more he just wants the satisfaction of seeing the dude fume from behind the stack of chips he has again taken from him. In my mind this sort of sh!t is just like calling a 'maniac' a 'maniac' to his face, just plain bad for 'business' if you ask me, anyone have any other thoughts?


Jeremiah