Party 10/20 vs 15/30

[steeser]

Yesterday I felt like playing some full table ring games, so I look at 10/20 and notice about 6 full ring tables and the rest are 6 max (probably at least 30, I didn't count). Then I click on 15/30 and see the exact opposite, they have a few 6 max tables and then at least 40 full tables.

The thing is, most of the full ring tables are playing short handed.

So what gives??? Does Party only want 10/20 short tables and 15/30 full ring?? I don't get it and need somebody to explain it to me.

[Tosh]

On a similar theme why do Party only have 2 30/60 tables ?

[steeser]

I assume that one is to generate more rack. At the lower limit tables players will go broke less and then generate more rake. I'm not sure that is the answer to my question though.

[Bubmack]

Well - I can tell you why they only have 2 30-60 tables....too low of rake to deposit ratio (I made this ratio up..but it would work). They would rather have the fishies grind off their stacks with rake instead of dumping big chunks of it to good players that will remove it.

AS to the 10-20 and 15-30 difference...I dont know - but I always hated it. I never wanted to wait in the 15-30 6 man table to open...so I could never move up to the 15-30 from the 10-20. I tried playing those 15-30 full ring tables when they were short..but they fill too fast....and that game was extremely aggressive.

I'd like to know the logic behind it...but this is party afterall...haha

Bubs

[Inthacup]

I believe they limit the 15-30 short-handed tables to keep the fish from busting out so quick.

They only have a few 10-20 full games going because 15-30 full is the biggest limit you can play(without being on a waitlist for hours). If someone is going to take a shot at the 'big limits' it will probably be at 15-30. Additionally, any rich recreational players will pick the bigger limit as well. Anyone playing for a living will pick the higher limit and easier games which are both found at 15-30.

Since there is a limit to the 15-30 SH games, they're mostly filled with rocks. The 10-20 SH game has so many tables because the 15-30 SH game is limited. From Party's perspective, it makes sense because the 10-20 generates as much rake as 15-30, but the fish will play longer on the same bankroll at 10-20, thus generating more rake. Party may be lacking in some areas, but there is a sound logic behind their limits/table selection.



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[SinCityGuy]

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On a similar theme why do Party only have 2 30/60 tables ?

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They have someone watching the 30/60 game at all times to prevent collusion. That's why they only have one or two games.

[Inthacup]

That's why they only have one or two games.

While this is A reason, it is not THE reason. The real reason why they only have 2 30-60 games is because they receive no benefit(in terms of rake) from having 30-60 tables. At the same time, the poor players bust out faster and Party receives less rake from them.


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[Bubmack]

I dont know...couldn't you make the same logical argument about wanting to keep the fish alive and away from the full ring 15-30? Why protect the rich and fishy from the short-handed 15-30 but not the full ring 15-30?

Bubs

[Ulysses]

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I dont know...couldn't you make the same logical argument about wanting to keep the fish alive and away from the full ring 15-30? Why protect the rich and fishy from the short-handed 15-30 but not the full ring 15-30?


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No. There is enough demand for 15-30/20-40 mid-limits that if Party were to limit those tables, a lot of people would leave Party and go to other sites. If/when the player base at 30-60/40-80 expands to a level where other sites are gaining significant customers due to their games at those limits, I'm sure Party will increase their game availability at those levels.

In a nutshell, right now, Party would rather have a handful of 30-60 players go somewhere else to play in exchange for having a number of players take twice as long to go broke (and give them twice the rake) by playing 15-30 rather than 30-60.

Edited to add: Oops. Realized you were asking about 15-30SH v. 15-30 ring. Same general answer applies. There's a big demand for mid-limit full ring games. It's essentially a basic requirement for a big poker room - online or live. So, Party has to offer them. The SH games definitely have more variance, so Party would prefer people play full games at higher limits (again, since this will keep them playing/raking longer) as opposed to short games.

[Inthacup]

Yeah. What he said.


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[Ulysses]

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Since there is a limit to the 15-30 SH games, they're mostly filled with rocks.

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That part of your post is incorrect. Those games are often filled with maniac action junkies.

[Inthacup]

That part of your post is incorrect. Those games are often filled with maniac action junkies.

Well, true. There are plenty of action junkies, especially at night. I remember one time when Daryn was playing at a 15 SH table and the avg. pot was approaching $600.

But there are also a core group of very strong SH players that I've seen there that are not nearly as prevalent in the 10-20 SH games.


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[GrannyMae]

While this is A reason, it is not THE reason

i used to beg paradise for a 15-30, 5 max.

the reason they always cited was that it leaves too many tables to monitor. from this response i also gathered that the higher the limit, the less they wanted short games because it is the probable place for cheaters to operate.

there used to be great 20-40, 5-max games at planet when they were the only 2 games in town (them and delta, but delta did not have nearly as much traffic). even in the days when paradise was competing for players with planet, they never put in any 5-max games over 10-20, and still have not.

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[curtains]

Why dont they just raise the rake to $4 on the 30-60 tables and then open up a few more of them...I bet that despite the higher rake, people would be happy.