I quit tipping all dealers entirely

I quit tipping dealers entirely the past 2 months. I play almost everyday and am now known at the card room as the player who never tips. Could this cause me any future problems? I stiff the dealer with confidence every pot no matter how big it is. Should people like me be taken out and shot?? The other players dont seem bothered by it. The rake takes enough. I think the card room should ban tipping and pay the dealers a decent wage, the faster a dealer is, the higher the hourly wage. Any people agree? Disagree? Every one else tips and all the dealers hate my guts. They're greedy, have a job that takes no skill and makes 10 times as much money as the average joe does working his ass off at a job that's much harder.

As a former dealer, I can say for certain that you have never had a job dealing in a casino, particularly not poker.


While sometimes the job is enjoyable, it is often just WORK. You do need skill to deal and be able to get along with a WIDE variety of people, even ones like you with a negative attitude that seem to think dealers do not work.


Granted, it is not the most difficult job and many dealers do not do a good job at what they do, but the ones who are proficient must REALLY concentrate on dealing the game for hours on end. It can get very stressful dealing to grouchy players who blame the dealer for all of their bad play.


The hours are generally very bad. I started on the 10 pm to 8 am shift


Tell joe to audition for a dealer position with your local casino and see if he gets hired. I guarantee he won't. And with your lovely attitude, you wouldn't be hired either.


I do not disagree with you that the rake takes a lot of the table. But this is no reason to penalize the dealers. The card room will not increase dealer's salary just because u do not tip.


There are inherent problems with any method of dealer compensation. For example, assuming the dealers are paid completely by the house, the "hands per hour results in more compensation" is flawed because some dealers that deal very fast can make many errors and/or are very rude. Clearly, you do not want those types of dealers to make the most money.


At the place I dealt, tips were pooled and split evenly between all poker dealers. This is probably the worst method, as one dealer can be very lazy and deal very few hands, yet get paid the same amount of money as the fastest and most proficient dealer.


Ultimately, being tipped by the players and keeping your own tips is the most efficient method, as the players can easily control who gets the money.


By depriving every dealer of tips, you are saying that every dealer is BAD. I urge you to try to deal a poker game where the players tip you as your compensation. This needs to be done, however, with players who you do not know well, as your friends are much more forgiving. You will find that the more mistakes you make, the less your tips will be.


When I was dealing, I really didn't mind certain players not tipping (as long as they were not jerks). As a serious player, I can understand other players not tipping certain dealers. However, your attitude is nothing short of stupid.


Dealers generally get paid a base of $5 an hour or so and the casino won't increase this figure. Another flaw with your thinking is that dealers in many cardrooms must tip out various other casino personel, including chip runners and even the floor.


You sound pretty greedy yourself.

If I wasn't in such a charitable mood tonight, I'd call you a scumbag and be done with it.


Now I don't think anybody can make you tip. And maybe you enjoy being hated. That's up to you. Unfortnuately, however, you don't seem to undestand the economics of poker.


Dealers are not particularly well paid by the casino. If you think they are then you're working under a severe misunderstanding. Would it be better to rake more and pay the dealers a direct wage without tipping? Possibly--but don't fool yourself into thinking you'd save more money that way than you would by tipping.


The primary advantage of increasing the rake and paying dealer more directly is that it protects them from selfish assholes like you.


There's not an obvious quid pro quo at work in a poker room. You can't buy better cards by tipping. But you may eventually learn that there are real advantages to being thought of positively by those around you.

If you actually kept track, you would probably find that it's the rake that hurts your chip count at the end of the night. The tips are close to irrelevant.


If the casino banned tipping and paid their dealers better wages, they would increase the rake proportionately. So I don't see the benefit to you. If most players stopped tipping, casinos would certainly implement this system. Since it's just you, the players should be getting on your case if they understood the issue.

When I win a pot and tip, the tip comes out of the pot, not my wallet. If I win ten pots in a session, it's ten dollars to the dealer. The house has taken thirty dollars rake to provide me with an acceptable and safe place to play, and I have spent a few dollars on soda's, etc which goes to the house too, and of course tipping the juice girl.


How many home games could I get into where I could be assured the dealer is honest and the game is safe? I think buck a pot is fair wages to the dealer considering what I am paying the house.

>I think the card room should ban tipping and pay

>the dealers a decent wage,


But they don't.


Duh ..

There are only two casinos near me and their dealers make very little. They start out at minimum wage, and it is not uncommon for them to work for the casino "part-time" for two years or more before being put on full-time (the casinos don't want to pay for their insurance). There is no way in hell I would take a dealers job.


I was at a table the other night with a guy just like you. He never tipped a dealer and at first I didn't say anything. Then we had a new dealer just out of school sit down at our table. This guy had the nerve to start making comments when the dealer was having trouble making change and making other mistakes. At this point I couldn't hold back and I asked the guy "If, like myself, he had a special kind of contempt for assholes that won't tip the dealers. A contempt for people who in effect spunge off their fellow players, especially when those jerks complain about new dealers just getting started." I asked him how he feels about people like that.


If you don't mind answering that question in front of the people you play with everyday then by all means stiff the dealers.

Tightass, I mean tightwad:


You had the audacity to post such as dumb ass question. Dealers are paid minimum wage and have to depend on tips to make a decent living. It is not an easy job to concentrate on running a game that deals with people's money where, sometimes when mistakes are made, the dealers have to absorb insults and abuses that are not worth the buck they are being tipped for. To contend with an inconsiderate low-life parasite like you is an added burden to these people who are making a living to feed a family. You may not get shot at but I'm pretty sure that dealers and some players as well, are cheering within themselves when you get a bad beat or outdrawn on a big pot.

It's up to you. Its certainly your right not to tip. If you want to be anti social about it, fine.

I do tip normally.


I don't agree with the posters who say that the dealers only make x per hour and "need" the tips. It's an open market, if a dealer thinks he's worth more per hour than the casino pays, go find a new job and we'll see if he's really worth what he thinks he is. Once the house can't find dealers, they raise their wages until they can. And they'll probably do this by raising the rake. Believe in the invisible hand. Luckily for you, not many people feel how you do, so the casino can get away with low pay because the players make it up.


I tip because I'd rather choose how much to tip than have the house raise wages by enforcing a higher tip (in the way of increasing the rake). I don't feel some social responsibility to help poor dealers make a living.

I am in LV to deal the WSOP. Now I havent dealt poker in 17 years but am trying to get back into it. And back then it was lowball not flop games.

I'm getting paid a whopping $5.15 per hr. And after my audition they said I was going to deal the high limit section graveyard upstairs. Shit I het that. 50-100 7st/8, 10-20 pl omaha, 25-50 pl omaha/8, chinese poker, 30-60he, 200-400 omaha etc. They want better dealers upstairs is the comment from the bosses. along with that 3:30am - 11:30 am shift I will have to deal satelites in the morning.


So Monday I go to work and sit in a dead spread satelite for my first half hour. I've made $2.57 in wages. And its a break table so I'm off for a bit. Finally get to live game 1 hr into shift, total so far $5.15.


1st game is 50-100 7st/8. Seat 1 is already whining. I pay no attn to it. There are 5 local assholes that blame the dealer for every card thet get that doesnt help them. Never mind they are drawing headup to a weak ass low with a brick on 4th and continue. Get the picture?


Binions has said they wont allow dealer abuse this year. We'll see.


Now if you must know, I get along with everyone pretty well. In the box I'm fairly cheerful and welcoming but I shut-up and deal. I help when I can, and I always am greatful and say thank you even when I get stiffed the entire down in the box. I still wish them all a good eve, day, morn.

And when I play I am just as curteous.


So the whiner in 1 doesnt make a hand. Over and over he doesnt. Oh yea he plays them all. He's cussin alot, relatively quietly but not directing it at straight at me. I go on w/o a mistake. And the bitch at me for staking the $25 chips after 6th street when there are lows out most likely 4 handed. This saves time and in an omaha game I have em staked each round and split the pots qwickly and effeciently. Why not in stud?


So he misses again and loudly calls me a muther-fucker. I loudly, and very firmly with the most aggressive look I have( btw I aint no pussy I have a colorful background)and say "hey. that's outta line" and I call the floor. This was the last hand for this down as the next dealer is here. I get up and push the 50-100 pl game and the floor comes over to me and I quietly whisper so as to not disturb the current game nor slow it down. He goes over and pulls the player aside and warns him next time is 20 minutes with time colection away from table then next time he's done for the nite.


I look down in my shirt pocket and I have 2 dollars.


The floor comes over and asked me if I counted the rack in that last game. Uhoh, shoot I didnt I tell him. He says its short $20. I confidently with no visible sign of tilt or negativity tell him ok no problem I'll pay it. I humorsly say something to these guys about being stuck and and how bad I play since I havent even gotten a hand!

one player makes a comment about how good I'm taking it. I say something like well hell what choice is there. In other words I'm not going to put out the same negativity I get from many of these high-limit pukes. This table starts off right away tipping a buck. Then a player says there's a $1 fine if anybody stiffs the dealer.

They all smile as do I and say thank you. I make the 20 I have to pay for the rack shortage that I would not have been made to pay had I counted it before and seen it.


Well at least I'm not stuck. Now on to "Benny's" (as in Binion)game. Big potlimit. Dave devilfish is there, He wins a $15,000+ pot($10,900 profit),

stiff. Then benny wins a 2k, stiff. Oh yea I had like 9-10 downs in freezeouts with him last week and never saw a penny. I get a couple dollar tokes from others in game.


So 2+ hrs into my shift I've been ragged on whined too mother-fuckered stiffed and had to pay out $20, and have earned pre-tax, $18. Oh yea, and I get taxed on my tips at $8.00 hr so my declared wage for these 2 hrs is actually

$21.


Now next time you have a marginal grey area ruling

that needs the dealer to represent as well as possible to go in your favor when the floor comes how well do you think a dealer is going to present what he/she saw to your benefit. Or would you rather I just major-league slow down the game with my dealing thereby costing you MUCH more in "time charges per hand".


Oh yea, how much can I buy health insurance for? anyone know? they dont pay it at work.

You're a schmuck