What is the rule about this show cards situation?

[cianosheehan]

Hi.
Can anyone tell me;
Just say in a game of hold 'em, two people are left in pot. If at the end, the two players check the river, and it comes to show cards, and the first player mucks his cards before seeing second players cards (ie giving player 2 the pot regardless of what he has, just to keep his cards hidden), does the second player have to show his cards to claim pot, even though player 1 has just folded on a check? I always thought he didnt, but the other day my friend (who wasnt involved in the hand) said he saw this rule enforced in a card room and turned over my hand. (I was second player). Does anyone know the definates on this rule, and if so, why is it this way?

[biggambler]

In Turning Stone NY they have this rule that anyone can ask to see the hand of someone in the showdown regardless of anything else. I always hated this rule. If the other guy folded you can't see his hand anymore so why should anyone have the right to see yours? It is supposed to help with stopping cheating because of players betting for each other.

[beerbandit]

If the player WAS called the other players have the right to see that person's hand.

[astroglide]

have a right to or should? if you repeatedly ask to see a showdown hand at a casino you'll usually get kicked out.

[Dynasty]

In Las Vegas card rooms you would not have to show your hand to claim the pot.

[beerbandit]

If a player is called on the end and decides to lay it down after seeing the other players hand; another player at the table can ask to see it and the dealer must flip it over. That seems to be the rule at the few cardrooms I have played in. I've been kicked out of the casino before but I think it was because of the beer.

[astroglide]

i understand the rule. ask 3 hands in a row to see somebody's hand sometime. at a minimum, you will piss off the table. at my casino (and many that i've visited) they have posted rules declaring that multiple requests will result in your being asked to leave.

[Dov]

They both checked the river. If only one player has live cards, he wins and doesn't have to show his hand to collect the pot. Who can contest him as the winner?

[beerbandit]

Why would that piss off the table it seems they also would want to see the cards. I'm sorry, I have heard of no such rule or ever had anyone complain when I have asked to see a hand.

[Warik]

What I don't like is when people who were not involved in the showdown - or even the river - ask to see cards. What business is that of yours, mr. folder? Call my bets if you want to see my cards.

This is why I like to sit to the dealers right. When I muck, I throw my cards INTO the muck.

My favorite "show me his cards" occurence was at a late game a few weeks ago. This guy had been asking to see cards a lot (not every hand, but everybody knew he was the "asker.") Finally a hand came up where he and I were heads up on the river. I bet and he folded, then asked if he could see my cards. The dealer and I said: "No." at the same time. That brought on a good laugh.

[astroglide]

because it's against the spirit of poker

[ZootMurph]

This situation came up once in the casino I usually play, and the second player then mucked his hand thinking he'd won the pot. The pot was split between the two players. The rule was explained to the table by the casino in this way (don't remember his exact words, of course): Once the betting is done, it is a showdown situation. That means you have to show the best hand to win. If the other person mucks their cards, you still need to show a hand to win, otherwise it would be a split pot since both showdown contestants have the same 5 card hand being shown.

I can't say I agree with this... but that's the answer we got.

[Warik]

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the second player then mucked his hand thinking he'd won the pot.

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Hence the Golden Rule: "don't let go of your cards until you're shown a better hand or the pot is passed to you."

[Dov]

did they split it with everyone at the table or just the last 2?

Since no one has any cards, if they are splitting it, everyone who was initially dealt in had the 5 card board.

That ruling is idiotic.