Stupid poker terminology question - "Aces up"?

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I've got a stupid question:

What does "Aces up" refer to?

Thanks

[MaxPower]

It means you have two pair with Aces being your highest pair. This is mostly a stud and draw term, you don't hear it used much in Holdem.

[LetsRock]

Aces "over" would be a Full house, AAAxx

[astroglide]

XX "over" YY is most commonly 2 pair, not a full house; XX "full of" YY is a full house

[jedi]

I've never heard "XX over YY" as 2 pair. I've heard full house as "XX full of YY" or "XX over YY" and I've heard 2 pair as "XXs up" or "XX and YY"

[Dylan Wade]

You hear it a lot more in stud, where "XXX up" is pretty common at a showdown. Only when a distinction needs to be made will "K's over XXX".

[blackaces13]

I think its used quite frequently in hold em. Why wouldn't it be? I say it sometimes.

[andyfox]

Never thought about it, but I don't hear it much, if at all, at the hold 'em table. People will generally just say "two pair."

Anyone know the derivation of the term?

[uuDevil]

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Aces "over" would be a Full house, AAAxx

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Although this is the usage I'm used to, I think I have seen "over" used in the chat box (automated dealer text) at the Gaming Club to descripe 2 pr. Is TGC just dumb?

[MaxPower]

I think the reason is that in stud it is very rare that two people have the same top pair, so the second pair or kicker doesn't matter. If you say "Aces up" it almost never matters what you second pair is.

In holdem it often matters a lot what your kicker or 2nd pair is so saying "Aces up" doesn't convey enough info about your hand.

[AJo Go All In]

[maurile]

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XX "over" YY is most commonly 2 pair, not a full house; XX "full of" YY is a full house

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Precisely. I hate it when someone announces "Aces over fives," and I'm thinking "Good, my fives full beats two pair" -- until they turn their cards over to show aces full. Grrr.

[maurile]

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Is TGC just dumb?

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No, TGC has it right. "Over" doesn't even make sense to describe a full house. Is 555AA aces over fives, or fives over aces? (Aces are higher than fives, after all.)

[LetsRock]

It's "Fives over Aces"

[Spyder]

Well, I've been playing poker, in some form, since the late '60s and learned from my dad who has played since the '50s. XX over YY can mean EITHER two pair with the XX being the high pair, OR, a full house with the XX being the three-of-a-kind.

In most standard poker games, the pair in a full house is insignificant. Hold'em is different in this respect because two different people can hold the same three-of-a-kind (or, everyone if the board hits three-of-a-kind), so the pair becomes the ranking attribute of the hand.

Spyder

[Gildersneeze]

Actually, any time I've ever used the term "over" to refer to either hand, I (and everyone else I know) usually declare the overall hand name first, as in "full house, Xs over Ys," with "Xs" being the three of a kind (or in the case of two pair, the higher pair).