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davidross
03-28-2004, 02:17 PM
It seems the poker Gods read last week’s post and decided to punish me for my arrogance. After writing that my variance had shrunk due to my aggressive play, and bragging that I had gone weeks without a big loss, for the first time ever I had 2ses of $1,000 in the same week. Fortunately I had 3 $1,000 or more wins so the week still turned out okay. It ended with a bad taste in my mouth though due to the VIP freeroll for the top 100 players. More about that later.

The week started with my paying $150 + 15 to enter a WSOP qualifier for 3 guaranteed seats. It turned out to be a good value since there were only 169 entrants, so the prize pool was an overlay, but alas I played like an idiot and went out around 70th. I’m not making the correct adjustments for tournament play, I’m still playing it like a ring game and pushing tiny edges too far. I need to play more tournaments to get experience, but I hate to cut into my regular playing time too much. It’s a difficult challenge. As an example of my play, it was after the first break and I still had around m chip count, 1,000. The stakes are now high enough (this is limit) that playing 2 hands to the end and losing will cripple you. I had AJo in the cutoff and I open raise. The SB 3 bets me. Flop is Kxx and he bets out. I call and call the turn and call the river and he shows me AK. I still have trouble letting go of hands. This hand wasn’t going to win me the tournament, but it sure could lose it for me.

After that I played for a couple of hours and made back my entry fee plus a little extra to finish up $85 for the day. Monday was a rough day though, starting in the afternoon and continuing all night. I lost $974 and I can’t even blame bad players getting lucky. I was just cold decked again and again. I ran into aces several times while I held a big pair, and I lost with them several times. Never bad plays by my opposition, simply hitting their hands when they had correct odds to draw. What can you do? I bounced back Tuesday though and won $1,002 to get back in the black for the week. Wednesday was a frustrating day, never able to get on a run, and I finished with a small loss of $143. Then came Thursday, and it was brutal. If Monday had been tough, this was tougher. Flush under flush, set under set, full house under full house. Lost $1,003. I’ve started my diet this week and between the two big losses and missing my sugar fixes I was pretty grouchy by now. Then on Friday the roller coaster went back up and I had a monster day, winning $1,580. Saturday night we were invited over to our best friends place for a Sex in the City Finale party (We get it several weeks behind the Americans) and I went for dinner (NY steaks, and Cosmopolitans) but had to leave to play my freeroll at 9:00 PM. Well, I was back at the party before 10:00 in a real bad mood. I had to pick up my daughter at midnight and I didn’t sit down to actually play until 12:30 thinking I’d get a few hours in. I was still playing at 5:30 and I was up another $1,356 finishing the week up $1,903. Wow, it’s enough to spin your head.

One thing I was really proud of this week was the fact that I quit at my usual time on the 2 nights I was getting killed. I didn’t think I was playing my best and I called it quits. That is difficult for me, I always want to get even. But on my big nights, I played late. Real late on Friday and Saturday because the games were just too good to leave. On Saturday especially there was a maniac with $1,500 in front of him and I wasn’t going to leave until he did. Either was anyone else. The same 6 of us stayed at a table for 4 hours. I’ve never seen that before. I left 30 seconds after he did. During this time I eventually quit all my other tables just to concentrate on him since the whole table was on tilt, it was getting pretty tricky to play. But it paid off. I started with $250 and left with $1,300 from just that table. Our average pot was $110 at a 5/10 table. It was incredible. He was down to $600 when he quit.

Now for my freeroll story. I was so looking forward to this tournament. I guess you can tell from the posts of the last few weeks how badly I’d like to win a trip to Vegas. I think it would be the perfect finish to this year and give me a real focal point if I wanted to turn this into a book, I thought this might be my best chance since only 100 were invited, I was sure some wouldn’t show up like all freeroll’s, and I was sure some had no tournament experience. Although it wasn’t a WSOP qualifier, I was already dreaming of the brownie points I’d score if I took my wife to the Bellagio for 4 or 5 days. I was right about people not showing up. At my starting table 6 people were missing and they were blinded off. Unfortunately the 4 of us who were there were in seats 3, 5, 6 and 8 and I was in 3. If you think about it you will see I had about 0 chance of accumulating chips. Imagine playing 4 handed and every 1o hands you are UTG 5 times, 2nd to act once, button twice and SB and BB once each. Now the guy in the 8 seat gets the button 5 times 3rd to act twice, UTG once and blinds once each. Who has the advantage. As the rounds went by It became clearer to me just what a big advantage it was for him. After 6 orbits seat 8 had over 2,000 in chips, seat 6 had 1,700, seat 5 had 1,100 and I was at 700, behind all 6 non-players. And seat 8 was smart enough to start using his stack meaning I never got a cheap play. Except once when I got a free flop with T4. Flop was T94. I check raised him and he called. Turn was another T and he raised me and I 3 bet him. River was a blank and I bet and he raised me and we capped it. He had T9 and I was down to the felt. I went out in 99th place although 40 players didn’t show up. This was so unfair I wrote a letter. Clearly nothing could be done after the tournament had started, but they shouldn’t allow 6 empty seats in a tournament.

I’m not giving up though. Empire has added 2 WSOP seats only for the VIP players so I’ll take a shot at that for sure. And I can always bid on the 2,000 package they have that includes a satellite entry at the WSOP. I was in 5th place overall in points so If I was to bid all my points I’m pretty sure I’d win it.

I’m usually pretty straight forward in my play. A by-product of playing several tables I guess. But this week I’ve tried to mix it up a bit like this hand. I have Kd Jh in the BB and the SB open raises. I just call. Flop is Kc Jd 6d. He checks and I check too. Turn was 7d and he bet and I raised him. River was 4d, I bet and he called. He had K5, the 5 was a diamond. In hindsight I think betting the flop would have made me more because he was looking to check-raise I think. I could have 3 bet or smooth called and still popped the turn. I guess straight forward is still the way to go.

I wanted to write more about the maniac table, but I have to go out and I want to get this posted. I’ll try to elaborate next week. Have a good week everyone.

nykenny
03-28-2004, 02:38 PM
i am first to reply!

Kenny

OnlinePokerCoach
03-28-2004, 03:10 PM
Hello David,

Poker really is a roller coaster ride isn't it? I find that the challenge is to not let your mood be affected by the results of your last session. I suppose it is ok to feel like you are walking on air the day after a $1000+ win, but it seems wrong to feel bad after a $1000+ loss. After all, we all know that it is "one big game" and life is too short to feel bad 1/3 of the time because of poker losses.

On a separate note, what is your ratio of winning sessions to losing sessions? Is it around the typical 2:1 ratio? I define a session as my play for the entire day, but feel free to use a different definition if your records are set up differently.

Best regards,
OnlinePokerCoach.com

davidross
03-28-2004, 05:16 PM
I'm surprised you're not rubbing it in about the huge variance!!

umdpoker
03-28-2004, 06:07 PM
hey david. i was in the freeroll too. i think i went out 19th, which is a billion times worse than 99th. especially considering that i basically went out with AA at a point where i was actually doing ok with chips. i got rivered by a straight when i hit an a on the river. nothing better than hitting trips while somebody else hits a straight. anyways, this left me with like 300 chips when the blinds were 100/200. did you notice that the people who did best were the maniacs? i swear at my table, there were 2 maniacs who would autobet/raise and damn near never fold who ended up being the table chip leaders. i was waiting for their bubble to burst, but it never did. one of the guys caught a gutshot against me twice! the best part was that he raised me the whole way both times. i was happy they were at my table, because i got paid when i got a hand. but, either their strategy is good for limit tourney or they were the 2 luckiest goofballs i have ever seen. also, what is this about the 2 wsop seats for only vip players? i haven't heard about this. is it another freeroll for top 100 vip players? later and keep up the good work!

serling
03-28-2004, 08:47 PM
Hi David --

Glad your losing days turned around pretty quickly.

One thing I wanted to bring up. We played at a couple of the same tables this week and I recall you mentioning you were down $1K.

It's good to commiserate (I was also down a lot), but I think our opponents might take shots at players who state this in chat. They may realize you're probably now playing tighter, so they may bluff more often. Or they may just take potshots at you with bad cards, thinking that you're "unlucky" and if their bad hand beats you, you'll be tilting for sure.

(I never mention how I'm running in chat, but I know when I've rebought at a table and continue to lose, people will make more plays at me knowing I'm capable of folding. Then they'll show their bluff.)

Whereas if you state you're up $1K, players will leave you alone for the most part.


serling

davidross
03-29-2004, 01:45 PM
I just checked my last 50 days and I won in 38 of them and lost in 12, so it's more like 3 to 1.

davidross
03-29-2004, 01:48 PM
Hi serling,

It's interesting how we think about that. I never tell anyone if I'm up, but I'm pretty quick to tell them if I'm losing. Let's face it, the regulars know who we are so the chatter will make no difference to them. I just didn't want the casual player to think they might be playing over their heads, I like them to be relaxed and think I might be a soft touch. It's probably better just not to talk about it at all.

davidross
03-29-2004, 01:53 PM
I don't think being a maniac can be a feasible strategy for these tournaments, but If you get hot you can sure accumulate chips. I'm certainly no expert, but if you are still alive around the 2nd break, the rising blinds make almost everyone equal at that point. You need to start winning hands at that point, nad you'll aquire chips fast.

THe next WSOP for VIP players only says you need to accumulate 500 VIP points between April 24 and May5 (Dates are guesses but it's something like that). So it sounds like there will be a lot of qualifiers for that one. Check your VIP stats and you'll see it listed there (When your in your Empire software it's under options).

zamora
03-29-2004, 03:24 PM
maybe this should be discussed in the tournament forum, but since we started here i will continue here.
i think that the fact that only one spot was paid in the freeroll changed the strategy completely.

i have no idea how you played in the tournament so please take these opinions as general ones and not directed to your play in the freeroll.

perhaps the people at your table where genuine maniacs but if they did well its far more likely that they just played ultra aggressive.

also, since so many of the participants where low- or mid limit pros (at least i assume that almost everybody is multi tabling because of the number of points required to participate), my table was playing very tight for a long time and the first bettor or raiser usually won the pot. that gave an even bigger reward for those who played aggresively and the accumulated chips also allowed them to draw at or bluff out the tight ones.

when it pays nada for second place there is basically no point in getting to the final table with chips that hardly can last a full round. its better to give yourself the chance of hitting it big and go out in 99th place if things go wrong.

only playing starting hands that are in the right "hand group" will probably get an honorable placing but it also makes you vulnerable if one of the LAGs happen to suck out on you the few times you enter a pot.

TobDog
03-29-2004, 05:29 PM
Is it around the typical 2:1 ratio?

Ok, flame away if I'm wrong, but playing online and playing in a B&M your ratio of wins to losses should be higher than 2:1 when you are playing more hands? I would assume David's 3:1 is more average online for a better player. I know some of the guys with big stat databases will chime in here. Thanks in advance for the information.

TobDog

umdpoker
03-29-2004, 09:50 PM
zamora, that was exactly what i was thinking. these people were not just ultra agressive good players. i saw 1 guy bet and raise like crazy with a gutshot draw. of course he hit it on the river and got a ton of chips. i was at giggsydan's(the guy who won it) table for a little while, and while he was ultra-aggressive, he did it at the right times.

OnlinePokerCoach
03-29-2004, 11:14 PM
I agree with your reasoning. Your winnning session to losing session ratio will be bigger if you play more hands per session. If David is playing 8 hours online per session, for example, with multiple table play, then 3:1 makes sense. That many hands might not get played in 5 days of live casino play.

Regards,
OnlinePokerCoach.com

zamora
03-30-2004, 04:59 AM
ok. then i agree completely. nothing hurts as much as being ran down by a lucky maniac. especially in a tourney since there is no possible comeback and he will probably give your hard earned chips to someone else.

btw, i am giggsydan /images/graemlins/smile.gif

umdpoker
03-30-2004, 05:04 AM
congratulations on the win. if i may ask, what type of poker do you generally play? nl,limit? what level?

zamora
03-30-2004, 05:31 AM
thanks.
i usually play 5-10 6 max. three tables

obviously, i had A LOT of luck during the tourney, but i had a game plan that i stuck to until we where only four or five players left. at that time i tried to slow down and wait for it to get heads up.

davidross
03-30-2004, 02:10 PM
Way to go Zamora. That's awesome. I'm curious how many people were at your first table. Were there a bunch of empty seats as there were at mine?

I checked my poker tracker and I have only played 188 hands with you. How is that possible when we both play the same games? I guess you're playing different hours than I do.

zamora
03-30-2004, 02:46 PM
hi david
thanks so much. its gonna be pretty scary to tango with the big boys in a few weeks. thankfully i got my copy of TPFAP today so i guess i will be alright /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

i think we where six players at my first table and i had a pretty good position there with two of the no-shows to my left. oddly enough things didn´t really start to happen until after the first break (i think i had about 2000 then, we where all pretty equal in chips) when one of the players started to raise virtually every pot. i got lucky on a few key hands and then i built my stack up til 25000 as we entered the final table. i peaked w about 60000 with six or so left but when we got heads up i was slightly behind if i remember correctly.

as to us not playing together. i think we play different hours. i probably play almost the same scedule as you but since i live in sweden, im six (are u on est?) hours in front. but i see you from time to time and i usually avoid you. i also play a little at party, so i have a few more hands with you than you have with me.

nykenny
03-30-2004, 02:54 PM
david,

u are taking it like a man, i respect.

Kenny

Canada Kelly
03-31-2004, 12:30 PM
David

I think that playing tournaments the same that you play your cash game is a big mistake.

A good tourney strategy is to see many more flops early with hands that will give you good chance at drawing to the nutz. Also later you have to throw a lot more hands away that you would play given another position. One of the biggest mistakes inexperienced tourney players do is that they raise the minimum amount. This is the biggest mistake, you should be in there raising the pot limit most chances that you get in position.

Also, i think that more tricky plays work better in tourney's such as check-raising. I rarely do it in cash-gmaes, but in tourney's it is a very valueble tool.

No matter how many tourney's I play in, I can always find a way to accumulate chips. There are always opportunities to exploit in the first hour or so that are risk free, people just need to find them because the bad players or the risk takers, who make plays out of position are at the table 90% of the time.

I hope you make it to the WSOP

Good luck

Kelly

Nottom
03-31-2004, 04:11 PM
FWIW I'm pretty sure this tourney was a limit tourney.

davidross
03-31-2004, 05:20 PM
Kelly,

Love the pic, but I can't cheer for the leafs until the Habs are out. I need a lot of work on my Tournament game, I know that. Unfortunately spending a lot of time on it takes time away from my bread and butter so I'm trying to work it in while I can. Your points are appreciated and well taken. THis tournament was a limit tournament, which I think works better for me, but I still can't play it like a ring game, but I did anyway.

Canada Kelly
03-31-2004, 05:27 PM
Hey I am a habs fan....but i put Tie down there just because he is a canadian boy who is a grinder....might not have the best skills but is a role player, something i respect.....knows what he is there for, tries his hardest all the time and is successful.....

kind of relates to a poker player, i guess

yeah, i guess limit tourney is different, but still, i like to think that most of what i said about exploiting other players holds true

Go Habs