HELP!!! cant explain this

ok, so im 23 years old, and i only have 1 friend who actually likes poker enough to read about it, and play in a casino, and talk about it outside of a home game... everybody else knows that i play, and that i really enjoy it. i would say that i average about 40 hours a month at it (give or take an 8-hour session). i don't keep accurate records, but i am ahead of the game overall. probably not by much, considering some of my swings (im a pretty aggressive player).


the problem is, i get such crap about gambling, and how i could be doing better things with my mind, and how gambling isn't good for me, and blah blah blah.


there is a girl in particular, one who i really like but haven't had the balls to do anything about it yet, who makes it a point to show how disappointed she is that i go play poker. she can't come up with a good reason for me not to go play. the last time we talked about it, she finally said to me 'Jeremy, you win, alright. I guess i can't come up with a good reason for you not to go play, but i still think you could be doing something better with your time.' this was the obvious phrase that means 'i don't want to argue with you anymore, i disagree with you, and you wont ever change my mind, but for the sake of semantics, i will verbally concede the argument.'


this sure doesn't get me anywhere. and shes not the only one. so many other people are always laughing at the fact that i play poker. i get comments like 'yeah sure its a skill game' and 'i dont care if you're good at it, its still gambling'.


im sick of defending the game, but im sure not going to quit playing. there was a point when i was 21 that i played way more than i should have, but i can take a much healthier apporach to it now, and i do. these people don't get it, and i don't know what to do anymore...


i need your advice...

ill bet you any amount of money that at least one of those people plays the lottery.


brad

Baggins,


You have an obvious choice here, dump cards or dump her. You won't change her mind, why try.


Find a cute cocktail waitress and go from there. For the record my girlfriend also hates the fact that I play cards, however she deals with it.


Best Wishes


MK

When this girl says "Isn't there something better you could be doing with your time?" she is hoping you will get the balls to do something about it. So do something about it. Then see if she really doesn't like poker or just wanted you to spend time with her. You won't have to quit poker over her I bet.

i don't keep accurate records, but i am ahead of the game overall.


realize that most gamblers who say they are a little ahead/even, are in reality significant losers.


my girlfriend supports the fact that i play poker, heck even her parents are okay with it.


there are a million girls out there. i wouldnt get started with this one when you already have a reoccurring arguement. thats usually a sign a relationship is(or should be) over, arguing about the same things again and again.


also, you probably talk about poker too much around these people who are not interested.


is hollywood aurora closed on sundays now?

Do you lead a well rounded life? Are you leading an unhealthy lifestyle because of poker? If so, your friends might be right. Poker is fun and even if it is beatable, I don't think it should be overdone. Maybe your friends have sensed that you have an impulsive personality or that your life isn't well rounded. At the very least, I would quit talking about poker around people who aren't interested in talking about it. If they aren't interested, just leave it alone.

When they tell you that the house always wins, point out that you're not playing against the house.


Start keeping accurate records. When people scoff at the skill factor, pull out the notebook and SHOW them.


Any woman who wants you do "something else with your time" means that she wants you to spend that time with HER. If you gave up poker and took up golf, it wouldn't make her any happier.


Bobby


(Why can't women just SAY what they mean, instead of speaking in riddles, then getting ANGRY at us simple-minded males for not solving the mystery?)

Hey Jeremy. My girlfriend gets on my case alot also. The only difference is that she goes to school 3 hrs away from me so during the week, she can't see me anyways, so I'm not really giving up time with her to play poker. She does get upset when she is back and I ditch her to play cards.


The one thing that she doesn't mind, OF Course, is when I take her out to eat or do something else nice for her when I have a good night. It will all work out.


BTW, Did you get my email about that tourney next weekend possibly?


Later,

Sheck

1. All women should be more like Annie Duke.


2. "unless you are very ugly there are plenty of fish in the sea" -Ray Zee


3. I have found that a good response to critics is "What do you do that is more interesting?" Usually they say "well we go out" (meaning they go to some bar, sit in a circle with the same people, and drink) or "cut it up" at some trite and trashy dance club. This question can backfire, however if the person runs a Big Brothers Big Sisters program or something...


4. 40 hours a month is not very much.

"All women should be more like Annie Duke"


PuHlease! We should all sit around a poker table barefoot, hair uncombed and overall unkempt appearance? No, thank you anyway.

The one person who said to keep records and use them to defend yourself had a good point. At the least it *might* make those close to you worry less. They care about you, and they don't understand it, so they worry. Understanding why they say things to you is helpful in countering all the negativity. Know that they worry out of love and it will help you find a way to make them worry less. Note they will always worry, but records can make them worry less.


As someone who has gambled since he was young, I can tell you safely that many around you will simply never ever understand. I was talking to my Mom the other day. She knows I play poker every day right now. As background, my father recently retired early, then went back to work because he was bored. Here is a rough sketch of the conversation, and remember, she has known that I gamble for fifteen years:


Mom: Why do you do keep playing poker?

Me: Because I like it, and I make good money at it.

Mom: I'm worried that you are addicted. (Baggins, you will get this one a LOT)

Me: No Mom. It is just something I like to do. You go to Church every day. You like it. I don't understand it. But I don't say you are addicted. Dad went back to work because he couldn't stand being retired. I could easily contend that he is addicted to working. It's the same thing. People do things they ENJOY to pass the time. Everyone does something each day. People like different things. Mom, I make money at this. I like it. Its fun, its social, its healthy. Yes, I said healthy.


Mom: I guess I can accept that. As long as you are getting out and about and eating right.


Me: I eat at the $20 Mirage buffet for dinner almost every day. I eat better than you do. It is simply what I enjoy doing right now. (conversation goes on and on for a bit in a similar vein)


Baggins, the point is that these people care about you. Gambling (poker) has a stigma that things like work and church and going to the movies don't have. There is nothing that you can do about it. You need to show records and make analogies. This girl has no clue what to say to her parents about where you spend your free time. She is embarassed about it. You need to educate her to make her understand, so she won't be embarassed telling others. And even then it might not be enough. I can tell you for sure that many people simply will never understand that this game is both entertaining and fun. Thats simply a function of our society.


If she doesn't ever understand, then I agree with the other posters who say you need to find someone else. You can't get into a relationship where the other person is embarassed by something you love to do. It will be a cancer. They will be angry you are embarassing them, and you will be angry that they make you feel guilty for no reason.


Your friends and family are a differnt story. You are stuck with them, LOL. Show them that it is simply a *part* of a well rounded life. 10 hours a week isn't a ton you know. It sounds like you have alot of other stuff going on. Point that out.


Hope this helps in some way......


Dave

doyle brunson said "what good is my money if i cannot gamble with it?..sounds like a smartass answer but it's true. hey i view poker, and gambling , as acceptable forms of adult play. i personally would not feel satisfied only gambling or playing poker, but that's up to the individual. what if you were a rock climber, spent massive money to visit key climbs, that's your business, how you allocate your resources...gl

8 to 5 she makes him quit, then dumps him jmho..gl

What is more important to you?


Your personal enjoyment of poker or the approval or your family?


The money you make playing poker or the chance to have a relationship with this girl?


Doing what you want or doing what other people want you to do?


No one here can give you the advice you want. There's no magic bullet that is going to make people understand that poker is a skill game that is fun. There's too much historical stigma built up.


So, take some time and decide whats a priority in your life. Do you want to fit in or do you want to live your own life?


Once you've made the decision, here's what you say to people.


Fit in: "You're absolutely right! Let me put on my white shirt and red tie and join the rat race right away!"


Own life: "That's your opinion. I'm happy with where my life is. I don't judge you, so please don't judge me."


If they continue to judge you, I'd advise you on a policy known as "next", as in looking at them and saying "NEXT!". In the case of this girl, the problem isn't poker...it's just poker right now.

And I thought I was the cynic. I say he should go for the girl and see what happens. If she wants him to dump a hobby he can dump her then. I think her position is not a real position and will change depending on how the relationship goes. I think you quoted Doyle below. Doyle also once said that it can be very expensive for a gambler to pass on a proposition that has a large upside and a controllable downside. He had a partner and they split up after Doyle wouldn't try a proposition against a guy who went off for big dollars at it.

no point in trying to figure it out---most people in our culture think of "gambling" on the same level as selling heroin to children.

yet every one of them contributes to their 401k, plays the lottery, or whatever.

(and if you are any good, your returns have outgained the market lately, if not you'd be broke now)


don't talk about it to people who aren't interested.

some people love to go to the movies. they don't care that it costs $8 and you walk out with nothing. its worth it to them.

the same is true for card players. some acutally justify LOSING money because they enjoy the comraderie, the escape, the fun, the excitement, WHATEVER.

point is, if you like doing it and its not ruining your life, depriving yourself of it makes no sense.


another thing i've noticed---you really shouldn't report wins or losses to anyone that doesn't play.

if you tell them you lost $x, they think you are someone with a gambling problem.

if you tell them you won, then you are supposed to pay for everything, right? and there is resentment. if your girlfriend works hard and makes 1/10 of what you can make in a night of cards, that CANNOT help things between you.


when someone asks, you tell them, "it was the weirdest thing, everybody won!"

do you ever say anything nice about anybody?

Get a life. Poker is for losers. And the fact that you dont keep records and don't even know how much you're up is pathetic.

"ill bet you any amount of money that at least one of those people plays the lottery." obviously that's because you have a gambling problem

sorry to hear about your uncle who was killed by your aunt...gl

hey Boris,


I don't want to get into a shit-kicking contest with you..but only because you must be like 112.

I don't know anyone in the last half a century that would name their kid Boris, so this is just a very accurate guess on my part.

I really didn't have anything else to say. Just felt generous, seeing's how you pant after my every post /images/smile.gif


Take it easy, old feller

ill bet you (any amount) that i dont.


brad

Unkempt? Maybe...but with the 1.5BB/hr she claims to have made playing 400-800 she would be one hell of a sugar mama. Plus there's a Prada store in the Bellagio...maybe she cleans up nice.

number of attractive 20 something girls I've seen playing poker in a casino = 6


number of attractive 20 something girls I've seen playing poker in a casino with their boyfriend playing at the same table = 6


. . . That's the way it is!

Dave,


That was so sweet about you and your mom. Are you gonna tell us more about the times she taught you knitting as well? Keep up the sentimental posts. I would love to find out that there was some incest within your family, i.e. your sister or mom. Now, that would be interesting. On your next post be sure to mention more about your father who works in the coal mines or a local 7-11 to pay for your gambling losses.


Baggins.

I agree with HDPM get the nerve up and ask her out. Show her that poker is only one part of your life and show her a good time. If she brings up the subject of poker just defer the conversation to another time when you know each other better and she might be willing to learn about taking risks with the odds in your favor.

I haven't read any of the other posts, but I can relate because i'm the same age and I always hear the exact same shit from most people. Some people were smart enough to understand its a skill game and that it is only luck oriented in the short run, but what I do now is simply never talk about poker to anybody. In fact when I play I don't mention it unless somebody would specifically ask "what did you do yesterday" or something to that effect. Trying to let people in on poker being skill oriented rather then skill oriented is just a waste of time. Most people don't get it- fuck it, just pretend you never even play. Keeping records is something you should get into the habit of doing by the way. Actually i have kept records for every session for the last 2 years and have these to show as proof to people that I'm a winning player but still, fuck it i never show them to anybody because if they still think its a luck game then whats the point? They'd probably just say "oh you were lucky" or some other miscellaneous crap. Actually I guess there was some element of luck involved since I only logged about 1700 hours so far, but anyway you get my point. In conclusion, just don't bring it up with anybody who is going to have a negative view about poker- it just leads to dumb situations where each person is sure they are right even though one of them is wrong.

Cheers,

Kris

I really can't understand how some people can be soooooo rude and hurtful. Pokerbabe - I'd be interested in knowing how you were raised to post such a response to a sincere post. If you aren't interested in what some others care to write about, you DO have the option of just ignoring it.

My totally kick ass girfriend of 1.5 years loves poker too and plays the weekly tourney with me, some online and casino and most home games I go to. She played mostly "goofy poker" until we met but has gotten quite good at hold 'em. She loves No Limit and has great people reading skills that give her quite an edge. I am always thankful to be with someone who understands the attraction of a good poker game. The only downside is taking her money at the table, or having her take mine. When one really gets a lucky card to bust the other, we really have to try hard to bite our tongues.


KJS

I have to second broomcorn about never mentioning to anyone outside of the game how much money you won or lost.


My answer is always "I lost $10, but I had a really good time".

That way it was just like going to the pictures or something that they would do.

Hey- Baggins or whoever you are, please don't post under my name. Clarkmeister told me that an imposter was around and he knows the difference between you and me so....just knock off the knock off. Thanks. The only, and original PokerBabe.

Debbie and Desire- some idiot is posting under my name and I'm pissed as hell about it. I would never do anything like that and Dave knows it. The original Babe.

couple things.


i know this theory that the people that say say they are ahead of the game are usually losers, but i have kept a running tally in my head. (i started over when i left LA since the game is completely different here than it is there. im not a huge winner, and i can defintely improve, but i have and will continue to beat these games.


second: she's not my girlfriend, but a good friend who im very interested in, and id like to take it to a higher level. long story, but i know i have a shot with her, but it seems to be fading the more we talk about this.


we've had the discussion probably 3 times. 4 if you count 2 years ago when i WAS addicted and had no clue how to play, and just loved the action. it comes up when they ask me what i did last night, or how i did last night. i don't push talking about poker. i maybe have 1 good story from a weekend to tell maybe the 3 people who actually have any idea what im talking about. when you say there are a million girls out there, that's all well and good, but i want this one, right now, and nothing is going to change that, nor turn my eye toward another girl (unless another girl pretty much hunted me down and asked me out.)


hollywood aurora is closed on the weekends now, is the word on the street, at least the word at harrah's east chicago, where i all of a sudden see a lot more hollywood regulars on the weekends.


thanks for the advice, you all do have a lot of good stuff to say. i was very surprised to come back here about a week after i had posted this and seen this much response to it. i guess we all have some experience in this situation.

im just as well rounded as they are. i still hang out with them, i was working full time until about a week and a half ago when the company went under and i didn't have a job anymore. some of them are in school, and some of them do other stuff that i have no interest in. i am socially active, and i do a lot of different stuff. most of it happens to be sitting in a restaraunt with the rest of them a couple hours a day drinking coffee, reading and smoking cigarettes. but we are all doing that. i don't miss anything important, and i even make it a habit to try and find something else to do before i take another trip down to the boat.

i guess its a testament to my theory that men are dumb and women are evil...


it never crossed my mind that her scoffing at poker means that she wants me to spend time with her instead of playing. i will take this into consideration, and perhaps i will find the stones to play that hand...

brent,

thanks for the advice. i did get your email, but i have no job right now and i am broke after a few expenditures over the last couple weeks. perhaps sometime soon. keep me posted.

i only post under my own name. don't bring me into this...

Glad to hear it Babe... didn't think it sounded like you > debbie

baggins- ok. sorry. just trying to find out who might have done this. Babe

Thanks Debbie. Hopefully, this imposter will stop. The Original Babe.!

Thanks Dave, your conversation with your mother made me laugh out loud! I have the EXACT same conversation with mine. Why is it if someone always has their head buried in a book people never accuse them of being 'addicted' to reading? Lol.


Daisy

Glad you liked it. I figured that Baggins problem is one shared by a great many who visit this forum regularly. Just trying to share some thoughts and experienes that might help others deal with this perception problem poker has.

i know this theory that the people that say they are ahead of the game are usually losers


i think it is a pretty valid theory and true in many cases. however, i wasnt stating this to say that i thought you weren't beating the games,


i said this to suggest that perhaps, just saying you are even or slightly ahead is not convincing to people in general.

right on... i wouldn't say im beating them by much yet, but i have been. i do try to be honest with myself regarding my game and how well i play. there have been times that i walk away a winner, yet i know i could have won twwice as much because i played some hands really poorly. and there are nights when i walk away down 30 or 40 BB's but i know i was only putting my money in on good starters and throwing away a lot of trash, just getting blinded to death, so to speak. i read this forum pretty regularly, and i try to contribute, and dialogue with the posters who seem to know what they are talking about. i read book, and think a lot about poker...


anyway, i don't need to rant to justify the effort i put into improving my game. we should chalk up the inaccurate records to my laziness and not my self-deception.

I would like to tell you that if this baggins even pretends to give up or let up on the poker because some girl he is pursuing disapproves...

I will be very disappointed in baggins.


You can never pick up on a 'hint' that some girl wants you to spend time with her rather than have you do something you obviously enjoy. This will be the beginning of the end of your life. You will make a big mistake!

In the game of life, women are the rake!!! And, we all know how tough it is to beat the rake. :-)

a quote from "The Gambler", by Dostoevsky


http://www.online-literature.com/dostoevsky/the_gambler/


"Yes, it is very horrible," she interrupted with a shudder.

"Consequently, I am the more surprised that YOU should be so

cheerful. What are YOU so pleased about? About the fact that you

have gone and lost my money?"


"What? The money that you gave me to lose? I told you I should

never win for other people--least of all for you. I obeyed you

simply because you ordered me to; but you must not blame me for

the result. I warned you that no good would ever come of it. You

seem much depressed at having lost your money. Why do you need

it so greatly?"


"Why do YOU ask me these questions?"


"Because you promised to explain matters to me. Listen. I am

certain that, as soon as ever I 'begin to play for myself' (and I

still have 120 gulden left), I shall win. You can then take of

me what you require."


She made a contemptuous grimace.


>>we all know it's about roulette, but it's a good read. A winner is usually never greedy(or perhaps selfish is the more appropriate term) in that he/she will NOT have to ask their spouses or friends to pony up money for them to get a fix. Basically I am saying this: if you are winning the game, it helps your argument to play poker, so help your friends and your family and you will be on top. If you are not winning the game, find something more suitable for yourself.

You need to be able to get away once in a while..

there are like 6 women in the world that play poker, like 2 of them are attractive and under 30, and they are both probably far away from here with a significant other.


obviously im exaggerating, but my point is simple: its not very easy to find girls who play poker. certainly not here in chicago, the big poker town that it is. i even posted on here a long while back about females who play poker. there was a thread, its probably in the archives. finding another girl who is interested in poker is not the option here, i don't think, though it would be nice.

"like 2 of them are attractive and under 30, and they are both probably far away from here with a significant other"


Funny, that's how I would describe Chicago. You may want to try an L.A. room. Commerce is not exactly the Santa Monica Boardwalk, but the selection of attractive females probably compares favorably to the typical shy-town niteclub.

After reading Poker Nation are you really sure you want a girl who likes poker? I mean, you want the Russian girl? Or the one who scammed with her boyfriend and now is on TV?


Find one that A) will put up with it B) will be corruptible enough to play some without becoming one of the poker junkies. C) Has earning potential in a real job. Recipe for happiness.

sounds like your wife, you lucky duck...gl

HDPM - I didn't read the whole book, just the part about the author playing in the NL game and making the nuts, which *improved* to a mediocre flush on the river...


Ian - i spent the first half of last year in L.A. and played a bit at the Commerce. i only saw 1 attractive female playing there (at least in LL) and i was definitely keeping track. (not that i saw any in the other clubs mind you...) and, don't get me wrong, i miss SoCal like crazy, and think its a wonderful place to be, but the *beautiful* women there are all plastic, and mostly goofy 'aspiring' actresses. give me a good ol' sensible chicago gal any day. (the girl i am after is actually from milwaukee. but she's definitely not your typical zubaz-wearing cheesehead )

I think that there ARE some decent looking girls that play poker, but not many. I also agree that LA is the place to be to find the best ratio(even if it's still very low).


Sometimes, though, I think that the reason that there are even a few girls that I think are attractive is that everything is relative. Next to a hundred smelly, crusty, old men, even a witch can look like good. Like the average looking girls that hang out with all ugly girls to make themselves look better, its all relative.


DN

One of these days you will find a girl who plays poker who is not an 80-year old smoke hag. When you do, here is some advice. First off, don't even CONSIDER telling her that you can help her with her game or make her a great player. We are as competitive as the male players and when someone says that to me, he is just insulting my play. Do not under ANY circumstances ask her out at the table. That is a place of business first and foremost, not a social club. Catch her on the way back from the bathroom and ask for a number or whatever. Plus, if she doesn't want to go out with you and you ask at the table, you're going to get shot down in public and no one wants to see that happen.


From my point of view, although there are a LOT of male players, it's not like you are all the pick of the litter either. But, if I could find an attractive, non-addicted, otherwise reasonable poker player, I would rather date him than a non-player. Just look at how often you have to call off plans with your friends/dates because the game is just too good to leave. Non-players don't get it and probably can never learn to. Non-players can't withstand the crabbiness that comes along with a huge losing session. Hell, they don't even speak the same language as players.

where do you play?


brad

You might be better off if she didn't play poker at all. She might start asking you for money when she loses. It would be nice though if there was a girl like this that wouldn't ask for money if she lost. I wouldn't mind teaching the girl how to play either, but that is unlikely as they will be stubborn and not listen.

You can no more speak for all female poker players than I could for all male poker players.

I am fellow female poker player... who has even dated other poker players. I love playing poker and hanging out in a card room and have met some of my best friends there.


That said, to all men going on and on about lack of "dateable" poker women, this is what I have observed of the male poker population:


- many are alcoholics, or smokers who singlehandedly support the state of North Carolina

- many have compulsive degenerate personalities or maniacal egos

- many do not make a habit of daily hygiene

- many are cynical, negative people [1]

- many are cheapos, not willing to tip either the dealer or the waitress


Sometimes, after a date or two, I have discovered that:

- You are cheating on your wife by dating me, or

- You might win at poker, but you consistently lose your wins, and then some, to other games, or

- You can have a $300 night at the 4-8 table but never offer to pay for me at dinner (even though I pay for you when I win just $50), or

- You CANNOT stand it when I beat you in a poker hand, or

- Playing cards is really and truly your top priority -- so I'd better get used to it


I think, regardless of gender, the game of poker exposes undesirable personality traits. Even the most courteous players seem to have a cringing memory of bad behavior at some point in the poker past.


I second puppydog_ct's tips on what to do (and not do) if you actually find someone to ask out in a card room. My only change is that I think it's ok to ask someone out at the table -- if she is speaking socially with you, is seated right next to you, and is not currently in a hand.


rh


[1] Yes I'm aware that this post fits somewhat in the cynical category - what can I say, I'm a poker player too /images/smile.gif

Virtually everything you say about many of the male poker players is also true about many of the female poker players, which is why I don't date women who play poker.


Addicted, egotistical losers with poor social skills would describe the majority of the poker playing population. If that does not describe you, why wouldn't you look elsewhere for someone to date?

Certainly women who play poker also often exhibit many of these same traits. And, a good number of the men who play poker are truly wonderful people. Hopefully generalizations are taken as just that -- a generalization, and not the rule.


Why not look elsewhere for someone to date? Just cuz it would be nice to date someone with common interests. As puppydog said, and as baggins has proved just by starting this enduring thread, non-poker players often just don't get it. Perhaps one of my best vacations was touring poker rooms up and down the west coast with my then-poker boyfriend. Those Seattle games are unreal.


rh

WOW- As a girl who plays poker, I think women have a tremendous advantage at the game. I love it when men want to help me with my game. I love it when they want to tell me about other players and how they play. I love it when they ask me out because I know now they would rather think about sex than poker. And I love to kick their ass at poker, especially when they help me do it. One guy I know likes me so much he check a flippin' full house to me! I love this kind of "sympathy". My philosophy is simple : the more info I have about players and the more they want to help me, the better the odds that I will beat them. I encourage all me to....Come to Babe-y.! I love your help!

Babe - I agree with you. I'm just telling our hero here that if he wants to actually have a chance with a girl he meets at the poker table, these are some things to avoid. I don't know about you, but although I think it's a good sign for the game when the things I mention happen, it is an absolute turn-off for any potential away from the game.

Of COURSE we'd rather think about sex than poker! We are guys, thats what we do. All this poker talk is just to kill the time between sex thoughts. /images/smile.gif

you bring up many good and accurate points, however:


You can have a $300 night at the 4-8 table but never offer to pay for me at dinner (even though I pay for you when I win just $50)


one thing i hate is when people expect me to pay for dinner just because i have a winning night.


OTOH, if I invited you on a date or to dinner of course i would pay.

ok, i pass all your tests but one, i smoke. but like 1 cigarette every 1.5 hours while im at the table (non-smoking room, thank god. back in worse times i went through 3.5 packs in a 12-hour session in a smoking cardroom).


anyway, it makes me feel better, in that i know that i am at least ahead of a lot of the competition in the room. off to a good start.


BTW when did you 2 (Rachele and puppydog_ct) start posting on here? i don't recognize your names, and i have been reading and sometimes posting on this site regularly for about a year. glad to have you here, and to have your insight.

lol, funny post.


hopefully, our newfound (atleast to me) female posters will only take that comment half-seriously and continue posting here. im glad to have them.


now if i could just figure out where they play...

can i ask how old you are, just out of curiosity?


just because you are not an 80-year old hag doesn't mean you are dateable-age either (then again, does it matter? im not trying to date you...)


as far as offering to help a female player with her game, id never ever do it. offering to help someone is just like saying 'i happen to notice that you suck, and i, being a superior AND benevolent player, would deign this time to help YOU'. im not that stupid, (nor do i care to educate my opponents, or think that i could help anyways. im still learning myself).


fun thread. glad its still alive...

The problem (that I personally have) is not with "normal" smokers. My life is surrounded by smokers, most of whom are considerate. This makes the inconsiderate players who puff right in your face even that more unattractive.


I don't post much on here but I have been casually reading on and off for 3 years. I am something of a software snob, and (apologies to 2+2) the user interface for this board really leaves a lot to be desired, especially compared to what is now easily available for web forums. I find it so timeconsuming to follow/track a thread that I only really bother reading 2+2 when I have lots of time on my hands.


To answer your other question, I play in Black Hawk, Colorado.


I don't comment much on other threads because I just really don't have that much to add. I'm a $2-$5 player who usually visits 2+2 once a week, if that much, so there's not much I can say that hasn't already been observed. This particular thread caught my eye by puppydog changing the subject to "I am a girl who plays poker".


I also post (or play online) under the name "Holdem QT"... "QT" was a nickname given to me when I first started playing here in CO, as in the hand Queen-Ten.


Rachele

...of COURSE you have a major advantage over us guys! Hell, you're so damn cute *I* might even check you the boat!


Dave in Cali (schmoozer extraordinaire)

30ish /images/smile.gif

im 23... i think 30ish might be a bit too old for me (not saying you're old though). probably an even bigger reason why i can't find many dateable girls at the card-room-im so dang young.