BAD PLAYERS

[dsmall]

/images/graemlins/confused.gif does anyone know how to handle when people play anything. I had jj 6th position raised comming in after 4 other player fold then i was reraised from 7th position and then capped from the 8th position.... the flop fell and it was 8,3,5 i then bet and then was raised by 7th player and then 8th reraised him and i capped it AGAIN....then a 2 fell then came a 10 on the river well sad to say i lost....... i check and 7th player bet then 8th call and i also called position 7th player pockets cards WHERE 8,2 AND 8TH POCKETS WAS Q,2 AND THAT SOME SZIT... BAD PLAYERs THOUGHT I HATE THEM...... NOW I KNOW I HATE THEM....any good play out there could tell me whats a good way to deal with these type on PEOPLE........ THXS

[PseudoPserious]

Move up in limits, so you won't have to deal with people who cap preflop with trash or reraise you with 3-5 outs.

Really, there's no point in playing with folks who will call 4 bets with anything. They'll win the pot a good 20-30% of the time, and there's nothing you can do about it.

PP

[Warik]

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Really, there's no point in playing with folks who will call 4 bets with anything.

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Sarcasm I hope. =)

Seriously dsmall, these are the kind of players you want to play with. I would love to have 3 tables with people like this. For all the times they draw out on your overpair, river a full house, flop a straight and slowplay, etc..., there will be times that they will call all of your bets with absolutely nothing and yield you a huge pot where you won't be able to figure out how you could have possibly won.

In poker, poor players pay good players with bad decisions, good players pay great players with mistakes, and great players pay the house with the rake.

You don't want to play with good and great players. You want to play with poor players.

Write down those names and find them in a game whenever you can. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Mike Gallo]

Dsmall,

Welcome aboard.

Thank you for a thought provoking post. I found this line most useful " BAD PLAYERs THOUGHT I HATE THEM...... NOW I KNOW I HATE THEM....any good play out there could tell me whats a good way to deal with these type on PEOPLE........ THXS "

I do not mean to preach however , why hate the people that you will profit from? Why "hate"? You should feel thankful that you have soft seats in your game. Show these players kindness. Open your heart and they will open their wallets.

Its not too late to change your log in. You probably will take a few hits for your post /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[Mike Gallo]

Move up in limits, so you won't have to deal with people who cap preflop with trash or reraise you with 3-5 outs.

Excellent advice. Advise him to move up in limits so he can lose his money quicker.

If the poster cannot beat the lower limits he has no chance at beating the higher limit games.

[deacsoft]

DO NOT JUST MOVE UP IN LIMITS WITH THE HOPE OF AVOIDING POOR PLAYERS!!!!! As has been stated play them as much as possible and over time you will profit from their play. I know it's something that brings about a few bad beats and can realy upset you. I've been there too, but now I watch my bankroll grow because of the poor players out there. Just tighten up your game a little and play solid winning poker. You can't lose.

Moving up in limits may lessen the number of poor opponents out there, but it won't help the bankroll and there will be fish at any limit.It is recomended that your bankroll is at least 300x the BB of the limit you're playing. So, if you don't have the bankroll do not move up because the +/- swings could brake you. master the limit you're currently playing and then think about moving up when you and the bankroll feel ready. Just hang in there and big pots will come your way.

[pudley4]

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/images/graemlins/confused.gif does anyone know how to handle when people play anything. I had jj 6th position raised comming in after 4 other player fold then i was reraised from 7th position and then capped from the 8th position.... the flop fell and it was 8,3,5 i then bet and then was raised by 7th player and then 8th reraised him and i capped it AGAIN....then a 2 fell then came a 10 on the river well sad to say i lost....... i check and 7th player bet then 8th call and i also called position 7th player pockets cards WHERE 8,2 AND 8TH POCKETS WAS Q,2 AND THAT SOME SZIT... BAD PLAYERs THOUGHT I HATE THEM...... NOW I KNOW I HATE THEM....any good play out there could tell me whats a good way to deal with these type on PEOPLE........ THXS

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If you don't know how to crush these types of players, it's highly likely you are making similar mistakes (although not as bad as theirs); therefore it's also possible (probable) someone out there is making the same rant about you.

[PseudoPserious]

Hi dsmall,

Sorry about the sarcastic reply before; I hope that you don't take my advice to heart...the little grinning post icon was meant to let you know I didn't really mean what I was going to say.

To actually answer your question, you beat players like that by playing like you actually did -- you got in a lot of money when you were the favorite. It's just bad luck that they drew out on you.

According to twodimes, you were about a 65% favorite both before and after the flop, and you got 4 bets each from two players who had much the worst of it. It doesn't get much sweeter than that /images/graemlins/smile.gif. Sure, this time it didn't work out, but next time it probably will.

Just remember that you make money in poker when other people make mistakes...and if they make big mistakes, then you make big money. Or get really pissed off when they hit their two-outer. But that's okay, really. Honest. Annoying at the time, perhaps, but very beneficial over the long run.

PP

[CrackerZack]

At least he didn't show Qs5s

[ratbastard]

Re: BAD PLAYERS

I am somewhat of a newbie and if you look at my previous posts you will see this. So take my advise for what it is worth.
We have all been there, try going for a week of endless bad beats were every fish seems to get his miracle 23.5-1 shot every time you flop a set. I use to have a real hard time with this but I now realize as other posters have pointed out that the bulk of my profits come from these players.
Keep in mind that their motivation to play is probably very different from yours. They are gambling, and are probably motivated by the enjoyment of it rather than making a long term steady profit. If they are getting lucky I genuinely feel happy for them because they are having fun. I like to see them having a good time because this is what will bring them back to the game or better yet keep them in the current game.
I hate it when some XXXXXXX starts berating them. This only makes their experience unpleasant and will drive them out of the game. Or worse the humiliation may make them stop playing altogether or make them resolved to become better players.

The only thing I hate worse than losing to a long shot is some yahoo that is not professional enough to take his bad beat like a man/woman and congratulate the player on their good fortune.

Try to remember when you first started playing poker and all the times you sucked-out on someone. Everyone has to start somewhere just as you did. Or watch a game with a fish and notice how all the profesional players react to them. As long as no one berates them you will probably see him loose all his money. It may take several hours but his play can only be unprofitable in the long run and thus profitable to any decent player at the table in the long run.
Anyways thats my rant, I sincerly hope that you can see how bad this behavior is for the game.

rb

[Slacker13]

Your writing skills are horrendous. If you think these players are bad to have at your table then you should either read some poker books or just give it up. These are the exact players that pay my mortgage.

[Mike Gallo]

Spoken like a true protégé /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[MaxPower]

I wish I had a dime for every new poster who has posted a rant like this.

I don't understand why so many players think that losing a pot is the end of the freaking world.

Being a good player is not about knowing what good cards are or what kinds of hands you should bet, raise or fold. All good players have one thing in common, they understand where their edge comes from. When you understand that, you will be able to deal with these players.

[sthief09]

we need a bad beat forum. it'll be like the feature in my e-mail that detects junk and throws it in the spam folder so i can ignore it.

[dsmall]

THXS I BEEN PLAYING 2 YRS I DO VERY GOOD IN VEGAS AND OTHER CASINO BUT ONLINE IT BEEN NOT AS GOOD

[stripsqueez]

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THXS I BEEN PLAYING 2 YRS I DO VERY GOOD IN VEGAS AND OTHER CASINO BUT ONLINE IT BEEN NOT AS GOOD

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you dont sound like a gamblers arse hole to me dsmall

in addition to it being dumb to worry about this hand its very bad to hate your opponents - you should be keeping them as happy as possible and trying hard to fathom what they are doing and most importantly why they do it

toughen up and post a hand worth discussion

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

[bicyclekick]

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THXS I BEEN PLAYING 2 YRS I DO VERY GOOD IN VEGAS AND OTHER CASINO BUT ONLINE IT BEEN NOT AS GOOD

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Where does an 11 year old get a fake id?

Or more seriously, where did you get your edumucation?

I couldn't tell what you were saying cause you were YELLING!

[fireman664]

Read "The Theory of Poker". It gives the basics on how to adjust to different types of games (loose passive, tight agressive, loose agressive ect..)

[MaxPower]

I think there are two reasons for this. Unless you are a cardroom regular who plays 3 or 4 times a week, I doubt you have played enough hours (hands) to judge anything based upon your results. Generally when people play online they play a lot more hands than they can live and they find out how good they really are.

Second, the online games are generally tougher than the live ones.

[ResidentParanoid]

Keep betting and raising pre-flop and when you have something post-flop.