Jackpot-based strategy adjustments.

[maurile]

Assume a bad beat jackpot that pays whenever aces full or better loses (with both players using both hole cards). Loser gets 50% of the jackpot, winner gets 25%, the rest of the table splits the remaining 25%.

In a $3-$6 game, how big would the bad beat jackpot have to be for you to call four bets cold pre-flop with pocket twos? Or with 23s?

[DanS]

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Assume a bad beat jackpot that pays whenever aces full or better loses (with both players using both hole cards). Loser gets 50% of the jackpot, winner gets 25%, the rest of the table splits the remaining 25%.

In a $3-$6 game, how big would the bad beat jackpot have to be for you to call four bets cold pre-flop with pocket twos? Or with 23s?

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There's a minimal amount of strategy adjustment for these games, which I'll leave to players better than myself to explain to you (us).

What I will say is: Leave it to the dumbasses you play against to coldcall 2-5 bets with 22 or 23s and rationalize that it was "because" of the jackpot; don't do it yourself.

Dan

[karlson]

There is no jackpot that I know of that will actually alter your preflop play. You can do the calculations yourself, but a quick estimate should be convincing enough that you should not cold call the 4 bets with 22.
Let's say you are up against AA and the jackpot will net you 100k if the board comes A22. The chances of this, according to my (very quick) calculation are something like 1/60000. So it adds between $1 and $2 in expectation. Not much if you're playing 10/20. Of course you won't always be up against AA (and quads over quads is even less likely). In general, don't bother with it.

The only place where I think a jackpot can swing you to a call would be if on the turn, you were up against what you are quite certain is aces full, and have a one card draw to a straight flush or quads.

[maurile]

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Let's say you are up against AA and the jackpot will net you 100k if the board comes A22. The chances of this, according to my (very quick) calculation are something like 1/60000.

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The much more likely jackpot scenario would be if you're up against AK or AQ, and the board ends up AAAxx.

The odds of that are still relatively small . . . but much better.

[beerbandit]

22 would be a tough hand to have in the bad beat. I'm not sure of the rules in your room but, where I play Aces full of Jacks must be beat by quads. So to have 22 play you would need four deuces and another player to also have four of a kind. The best hands I believe for a bad beat are a board of AAAxx. With one player holding AK (or card higher than x) and another player holding JJ, QQ, KK.

[maurile]

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I'm not sure of the rules in your room but, where I play Aces full of Jacks must be beat by quads.

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Where I play it's any aces full or better beaten by quads or better, but the payout is bigger if it's at least aces full of jacks that gets beaten.

[beerbandit]

Sorry

Correction: Aces full of Jacks or better must be beaten by quads OR BETTER.

[maurile]

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Sorry

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No, I understood what you meant. I was just pointing out that where I play, the aces don't have to be full of jacks or better. Aces full of twos is a jackpot hand; it's just that the jackpot isn't as big.

[Arrion]

Actually, the only way I could see a jackpot modifying your play is if two aces come on the flop and you're holding a pocket pair large enough to hit the jackpot if a third ace comes (in my local casino you need aces full of tens.) In that case, if you're fairly sure only one other player has an ace I could see calling to the river hoping to spike the final ace.