Rounders movie question

[devilsown]

OK for all you Rounders fans, I have a question. I missed something at the end. When he went to play KGB the second time, he had 10 grand. He won, so he had 20 grand. He won again so he should have had 40, but he said he came away with 60. What did I miss?

[BaronVonCP]

"feel free to reload at any time"

[esknights]

I'm pretty sure he had 40K. He used 10K to pay back his professor and then he had "3 stacks of high society", just like when he went to play KGB the first time.

[beerbandit]

correct baron

12-kgb
10-proffesor
30+-mike

[bunky9590]

Teddy reloaded

15 back to teddy
6 back to the Chesterfield to cover worm's (ultimately Mike's) debt
10 back to professor
30 to Mike profit

He walked from the felt with +/- 61,000

[GoSox]

Oh my, and the wife says I watch the movie too often !! lol

[Slacker13]

Maybe he rounded up.

[Yeknom58]

You're forgetting the money he owed KGB for worm. But I refer to barons post.."Feel free to reload any time"

[devilsown]

Ok thanks for all the responses. I didn't catch the part where he said he could reload. does this mean that he let KGB put another 20 grand in? I didn't see any of that in the movie.

[MrGrob]

There is a lot in the movie that got chopped, probably for time etc...like was talked about before...he cashes a 10,000 late at night -- no questions asked??? I just figured he either a) knew that place well -- b) the judge was connected -- c) both -- seemed the only way to make sense of it to me. Someone noted that in the pre-final version, the professor notes where to go to get taken care of, so I just write it off to the judge knew some people etc....

[N4CER1]

? What about the money worm owed on the tab ?

[beerbandit]

Your right---thank you

[bunky9590]

Scary part is I haven't seen the movie in over a year. Just have a great memory.

[Gamblor]

The blinds are 25-50, as stipulated by Teddy when Mike
enters the cardroom.

Scorecard: Mike: $10,000. Teddy: $10,000.

First hand: Mike wakes up with KK and raises $1,000 straight, which is brilliant because he knows the raise is out of proportion to the blinds and it is likely Teddy will play back at him, believing Mike is trying to assert himself. Mike takes down a $10,000 pot after moving in in the face of Teddy's $5,000 reraise.

Scorecard: Mike: $15,000. Teddy: $5,000

After Mike beats Teddy for his last $2,500 with two pair (JTs on a 757J9 board - Mike flopped a four-flush and hit his J on the turn), Mike supposedly has $20,000, doubling his original buy-in of $10,000.

Scorecard: Mike: $20,000. Teddy: $0.

Teddy goads him back to the table, using the infamous "stick it in you" line.

Now there is $40,000 on the table, $20,000 in each stack.

Scorecard: Mike: $20,000. Teddy: $20,000

Mike suggests they double the blinds, and Teddy responds with "Table stakes".

Camera cuts to later on, when teddy is ridiculing Mike for not getting up from the table ("You must be kicking yourself. Bad judgement!"), and we are to assume Mike has blown back some of the $20,000.

Estimated Scorecard: Mike: $15,000. Teddy: $25,000

Mike puts Teddy on tilt after laying down two pair to Teddy's made straight (incidentally, assuming Mike would raise preflop with A5, what was Teddy doing in there with 42?).

They continue, and we must assume Teddy has reloaded once for $20,000 more after tilting away some of his money.

Estimated Scorecard: Mike: $35,000. Teddy: $25,000

Then the final hand:

Mike has 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif and doubles the $100 big blind with a raise, which Teddy suprisingly only calls with the oft-argued but long-since-settled-upon TT.

Ironically, it would make more sense if he had AA, as he had played it the same way preflop as in the first game at the start of the movie. However, this time he couldn't slowplay as he did not flop a set, so he bet out instead. If he had checked the flop, TT would be far more likely given Teddy's past plays. When the A fell, he thought he had the nuts when in fact he only had the second-nut - top set. On the other hand, Teddy throws in his money almost in resignation - not consistent with his reaction to Mike's raise against his AA earlier on. If Teddy is so tilted as to not wonder what's up when Mike calls a 5x pot bet on the flop, how would he have the presence of mind to put on such a show preflop?

Pot: $400

Flop: 6 7 T

Teddy bets $2000 (into a $400 pot!). Mike calls. Alarm bells should be ringing in Teddy's head, but alas they are not.

Turn: 2

Teddy bets the pot: $4400. Mike calls. Still no alarm bells.

Current Stacks: Mike: $28,400. Teddy: $18,400.

River: A, completing the rainbow

Teddy goes all in for $18,400 into a $13,200 pot. Mike calls and teddy is "feeling satisfied". "All night he check, check, check. He trap me!"

Pot size: $50,000. Mike's stack after calling the river bet: $10,000.

Scorecard: Mike: $60,000. Teddy: $0

$15,000 back to Teddy for Worm's old debt.
$10,000 back to Petrovsky for the previous night's loan.
$6,000 back to the Chesterfield.
$29,000 in Mike's pocket.

Interestingly enough, no rake or seat charge at Teddy's club?

Everything works out. Haven't seen it since last summer. How's that for a memory, bunky?

[nykenny]

damn! u a rounders freak! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Gamblor]

Downloaded it via Kazaa when I was in 3rd year of undergrad and watched it non-stop for an entire weekend.

Haven't seen it since.

It was part of what made me really learn poker.

The first time I played poker was with some friends who had a regular $20 buy-in game going. I lost my buy-in, and from there decided I was going to beat them.

The next week I bought TOP and HPFAP, found twoplustwo.com, and now I'm a regular 5-10 winner and in training for 15-30.

[bunky9590]

However, being the technical perfectionist nit that I am....

One error, and check the film, because I am 90% sure but not 100% /images/graemlins/blush.gif

1st hand:
Mike KK
Teddy xx

Mike raises to $1000.00 (I agree with the analysis that Teddy will play back, BTW

Teddy reraises $5000.00 (he called the 1000 and pushed in another 5K) Hence the 3 full stcks of black that went into the middle with methodical precision, which tells me teddy made a strong laydown because he had to have QQ or JJ. (I think) so he bet a total of 6K and folded to Mike's Push.

I think we both get the gold stars for the memory game, LOL.

[Trix]

[ QUOTE ]
Teddy suprisingly only calls with the oft-argued but long-since-settled-upon TT

[/ QUOTE ]
Friend of mine claims that you can see that its Tens if you run it in slow when he throws the cards.

[Gamblor]

reraises $5000.00 (he called the 1000 and pushed in another 5K) Hence the 3 full stcks of black that went into the middle with methodical precision

I stand corrected.

[bicyclekick]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Teddy suprisingly only calls with the oft-argued but long-since-settled-upon TT

[/ QUOTE ]
Friend of mine claims that you can see that its Tens if you run it in slow when he throws the cards.

[/ QUOTE ]

that 10 is from the deck when he throws it, not his whole cards. he could have 10 10 but then all the 10's are out. We had a discussion on this a couple months ago...and decdided pocket aces were the most logical because "that ace could not have helped you" because he had 2 of em, and that ace could not have given mike a better hand then 2 pair.

[nykenny]

[ QUOTE ]
The next week I bought TOP and HPFAP, found twoplustwo.com, and now I'm a regular 5-10 winner and in training for 15-30.

[/ QUOTE ]
nothing beats progress

[DKNY]

$6000 to Chesterfield? What was that? Please refresh my memory.

[ QUOTE ]

They continue, and we must assume Teddy has reloaded once for $20,000 more after tilting away some of his money.


[/ QUOTE ]


Wasn't the stipulation that they keep on playing until one of them lose their stack? So how can KGB reload in the middle of the 2nd match?

[Gamblor]

$6000 to Chesterfield? What was that? Please refresh my memory.

Mike gets Worm "straightened out" at the Chesterfield and Worm gets them to loan him $2000 "on the finger".

When the Famke Janssen comes buy Mike's apartment, she tells him that "Roman and Maurice haven't been back since. But Worm's been around plenty. He's run you up just over $8 Gs."

Mike pays her some of it out of his pocket. We later learn, in the gym, that Worm lost it playing blackjack.

As far as KGB goes, that was the stipulation for the first round of $10,000, which Mike won with two pair, Jacks and Sevens. When KGB reloads, we must assume that he loses his whole stack again, but in less dramatic fashion. Then he buys again for another $20,000, which he loses most of in one hand, in which we the dramatic high point is that we realize Mike is capable of a slowplay. What drama.

[DKNY]

Thanks Gamblor.

[Gamblor]

So I've been playing 5-10 at Party for a few months now, and still re- (and re-) reading TOP, HEP, HLSFAP, HPFAP.

I was looking at PokerTracker numbers and was thoroughly disgusted to see that my rake paid was almost equal to the amount I've won.

So I took my $4,500 bankroll and decided to get into a 15-30 game for $600. I also promised myself that if at any point, I lost 25 BB from my high point, I would rejoin my usual 5-10 games until I built enough of a roll and I felt like a favourite at the 10-20 game, and move on from there. I did the usual scouting and found a game better than any 5-10 game I had played in a while, and sat down.

I documented this first session in an Internet Forum thread entitled "Why didn't anyone tell me?".

Well, I'm obviously on a bit of a run, but in one week (and about 14 hours of poker) my bankroll has reached $9,600, and more importantly, I at times feel like the best player at the table, but never feel like a significant underdog.

THAT'S progress.

[Tosh]

I often feel like giving 15/30 a crack and when I watch the games they don't seem particularly strong. Feel the bad sessions will be hard to take until I have the proper bankroll for them though.