My first B & M Card game

[Spyder]

Well, took $200 to Ameristar in Kansas City yesterday afternoon and tried my hand at "face-to-face" Hold'em. I played $3/$6 with a Kill (first time playing a kill game as well) and played from about 4pm to 2am and I had a great time...however....

From about 4pm to midnight, I won about 3 hands, was second best about 4 times. I was playing pretty tight, but, very few people noticed and lots called when I played & bet. I was all-in at one point at about midnight and won a $100 pot, and then I started to slowly build my stacks back. In the next two hours I had won all I lost and $60 more and called it a night...it was pretty late for me /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I played less than a dozen hands in 8 hours, and saw the flop only from the blinds (not EVERY time) for most of that time. In the last two hours I started to get a hand to play about once a circuit and usually won with it.

The question I have is this: Is this a normal expectation of the distribution of hands?

Spyder

[BigEndian]

You either had a legend worthy run of bad cards or you were being too tight. B&M deals about 30-40 hands/hr. If you saw only 12 flops in 8 hours, well, you can do the math. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

- Jim

[Warik]

I had a game where I saw 4 flops in 3 hours. It happens more live than online because they deal so slow. Can't compare 20-30 hands/hr to 50-60 hands/hr x multiple tables.

It happens, but not often enough to make a man never want to play live again.

[Spyder]

Well, I don't think I was TOO tight. I think it was a very long run of poor cards. Over the whole night I never got: AA, KK, QQ, or AKs; I got AKo about 4 times and won once with it; I got KQs about 3 times and never won with it. My biggest hand was hitting JJ for a Jacks full boat. My biggest beat was Hitting AQs for top two-pair, 3-betting before the flop, capping after the flop (AQX, no flush), catching a Jack on the turn, Bet-raise-call, blank on River, Bet-raise-call...someone had stayed in with KTo /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Late in the evening (the last two hours) my winning hands tended to be middle pairs and suited connectors...big cards were utterly worthless most of the night.

Spyder

[bdypdx]

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The question I have is this: Is this a normal expectation of the distribution of hands?


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Maybe not "normal", but not to be unexpected either. It does happen.

[SlyAK]

Spyder,

Do you know if they spread low level NL games at the Ameristar, or any other of the KC area casinos? Maybe 1/2 blinds or something like that. I am in Wichita and have been thinking about going up there sometime. I've never played live before either and would like to give it a shot.

Sly

[Spyder]

No....their card room is very small...maybe 20 to 25 tables. The only Hold'em games that I saw on the board were 3/6-Kill & 10/20. They also had 7 card stud and a couple other games. They had an "Interest" list where if they got enough players on the list for a game they'd start one.

Spyder

[Spyder]

Yeah, I was hoping it just was a bad run of cards and not the norm....if it was the norm, then that was WAY too much work /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Spyder

[dld]

There is a no limit game on thursday nights. It starts at 7pm. $2 and $5 blinds. $100 minimum buy-in, $200 max.

[pokerkid88]

i seems as though u were playing against loose players, if u were, big cards lose value while pairs and suited connectors gain value, which could explain u losing alot with big off suit cards

[SoBeDude]

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i seems as though u were playing against loose players, if u were, big cards lose value while pairs and suited connectors gain value, which could explain u losing alot with big off suit cards

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Yes big unsuited hands lose SOME value. They do NOT become valueless, unplayable, or -EV. This is a common misconception on the board.

They are still playable in loose games.

-Scott

[Spyder]

Yeah, I realize that...I am pretty fair (and getting much better) about getting away from them if there's action and I miss the flop completely.

The problem I had wasn't that I was losing, it was that over 8 hours I only got about a dozen truly playable hands...and I just don't play that tight. Online, I typically see about 30% flops. I was hoping that this was just a bad run and that I wouldn't normally have to work so hard to make $60 /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Spyder