I "heart" the suited connectors....

[mrwhippy]

A poker buddy of mine has recently invested large amounts of his time in arguing the merits of the suited connectors, even going so far as to regularly proclaim, " I :heart: the suited connectors".Comments about his level of education or parentage aside, he (I believe) genuinely considers, for example, 6 :club:7 :club: to be a stronger starting hand than (again,for example) A :spade: 10 :diamond: .....discuss :grin:

[mrwhippy]

dont know what happened to the amusing icons...use your imaginations to fill in the gaps...thanks

[Robk]

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he (I believe) genuinely considers, for example, 6 /images/graemlins/club.gif7 /images/graemlins/club.gif to be a stronger starting hand than (again,for example) A /images/graemlins/spade.gif 10 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

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The strength of holdem starting hands is highly situational. If many players have come in, and tend to go too far with their hands, I would rather have the 76 /images/graemlins/club.gif If I were first in late, I would rather have the AT. Which hand will make you more money depends on what kind of game you're in.

[CrackerZack]

there are many games and situations where I'd rather have 76s than ATo. ATo is crap. This is the 2nd time this week i have written that. Weird. sad. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[bdk3clash]

Why debate? According to PokerTracker, I'm profitable with ATo, and not profitable with 76s. Anyone else?

(I guess an implicit assumption here is that I'm equally competent--or incompetent--at playing both hands.)

[Ed Miller]

Another implicit assumption is that you've played even remotely enough hands to make comparisons like this meaningful.

You haven't.

[lawsy]

in pot limit and no limit i would much rather have suited connectors than any number of "trouble" hands like KJo A10o etc. the point is that in many raised pots you can chase with overcards or say top pair,fall in love with your hand!? and lose a stack when you find youre outkickered.
with suited connectors you take a cheap or even not so cheap look at the flop (especially if it is a multiway pot) and if you dont like what you see you can throw them away (or take one shot at it then fold)
when I think about it i think ill measure these hands ev in live games.
im going to keep track of my results.
I /images/graemlins/heart.gifthe suited connectors

[bdk3clash]

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Another implicit assumption is that you've played even remotely enough hands to make comparisons like this meaningful.

You haven't.

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I have 50,000 hands in my PokerTracker database. Enough? Or not? (Genuinely curious, not being sarcastic.)

[BugsBunny]

More important than total hands - how many times have you played 76s and how many times ATo.

[spamuell]

50k hands is a lot, but how many times have you had ATo and how many have you had 76s? This is the real sample size.

[CrackerZack]

I have about 30K and am winning with both hands. I am losing with AKs though. I guess these stats things really don't understand my long run.

[spamuell]

[Clarkmeister]

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Why debate? According to PokerTracker, I'm profitable with ATo, and not profitable with 76s. Anyone else?

(I guess an implicit assumption here is that I'm equally competent--or incompetent--at playing both hands.)

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I think most people on these forums will find the same thing.

[Monty Cantsin]

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Why debate? According to PokerTracker, I'm profitable with ATo, and not profitable with 76s. Anyone else?

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ATo...236 times...+.12BB
76s....54 times...-.08BB

/mc

[BugsBunny]

At full rings (7-10 players at the table) I'm up with ATo and down with 76s, but the huge majority (70%) of my 76s loss came on 1 hand. I turned the str8, he rivered the boat. I win that hand and I'm up with both.

But I only have 24 hands played with 76s and 52 with ATo (winning % with ATo is 46%)

[Styles]

ATo won 12.86% for +0.11bb/100
76s won 4.76% for -0.17bb/100

However,
87s won 18.18% for +0.86bb/100
98s won 25.00% for +1.03bb/100

as a group suited-connectors T9s and below
won 10.85% for +0.25bb/100


I /images/graemlins/heart.gif suited-connectors /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Clarkmeister]

Bump, because I think its important for people to see just how much they overrate these baby connectors like 67s and how much they overrate big crappy offsuit stuff like ATo.