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cornell2005

03-13-2004, 04:37 PM

Hey. My overall suggestion would be to take anotehr thought of how you bet preflop in some cases. For example, I wouldnt play A2 and J10. I think its better to play 1010 for a set instead of raising preflop, and I think you are raising AQo too much preflop. For example, you raised AQo 6xBB and then didnt even play AJ. I would try a more uniform system of betting preflop so your opponents cant get reads on you as much.
GL with it, i liked most of your playing. You played solid post-flop in these 100 hands, especially on some well-done semi-bluffs to take down a couple pots

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (8 handed)

MP2 ($58.65)
CO ($260.20)
Button ($43.55)
Hero ($49)
BB ($43.65)
UTG ($24.50)
UTG+1 ($8.20)
MP1 ($81.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $2, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: $3.50

Results in white below: 
No showdown. UTG+1 wins $3.50. 

A wise man told me that if its 5 percent of your stack or less to call, easy call, and if its 10 percent of your stack or less, then fold. But easy call here regardless because its only 2 x BB for you.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (10 handed)

MP3 ($179.49)
CO ($29)
Button ($40.50)
SB ($39.25)
BB ($50)
Hero ($60.65)
UTG+1 ($34.75)
UTG+2 ($38.45)
MP1 ($50)
MP2 ($107.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero folds, UTG+1 calls $1, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $1, MP3 calls $1, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($6.50) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets $3, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, BB calls $3, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: ($12.50) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets $8, BB calls $8.

River: ($28.50) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: $28.50

Results in white below: 
BB shows Ks 5d (one pair, queens).
MP2 shows 8d Jh (two pair, queens and jacks).
Outcome: MP2 wins $28.50. 

Hmm I think too much attention is paid to position here preflop. I always play JA, and come in for raises with it almost everytime also. But at the very least play it for a limp, it can be profitable at these tables

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (8 handed)

SB ($231.24)
BB ($24)
UTG ($48)
UTG+1 ($38.75)
MP1 ($49.15)
Hero ($58.65)
CO ($53.70)
Button ($113.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $3, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls $2.50, BB folds.

Flop: ($7) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB folds.

Final Pot: $11

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins $11. 

I wouldn’t raise on AT, even suited. There wernt really any limpers to consider here either.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (8 handed)

CO ($227.24)
Button ($47)
SB ($38.75)
BB ($68.30)
Hero ($62.30)
UTG+1 ($49)
MP1 ($37.70)
MP2 ($112.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero raises to $4, UTG+1 calls $4, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls $4, Button folds, SB raises to $15, BB folds, Hero folds, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $11.

Flop: ($39) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, CO bets $11, SB raises to $23.75 (All-In), CO calls $12.75.

Turn: ($86.50) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($86.50) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $86.50

Results in white below: 
CO shows 8h 4h (two pair, nines and fours).
SB shows Ah Ks (one pair, nines).
Outcome: CO wins $86.50. 

I don’t like raising 1010 either. I would play it for a set the whole way unless under cards flopped.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (7 handed)

UTG ($48.07)
MP1 ($50.45)
MP2 ($138.18)
Hero ($48.50)
Button ($14)
SB ($45.85)
BB ($77.80)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $1, MP1 calls $1, MP2 folds, Hero calls $1, Button calls $1, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($6) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $5, Button calls $5, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, MP1 folds.

Turn: ($16) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $8, Button calls $8 (All-In).

River: ($32) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $32

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Ad 2d (two pair, aces and eights).
Button shows 7h Th (two pair, tens and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins $32. 

A2 is pretty garbage, so calling is pretty questionable

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (7 handed)

MP2 ($56.47)
CO ($36)
Button ($58.45)
SB ($147.03)
Hero ($61.90)
UTG ($38)
MP1 ($66.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls $1, MP1 calls $1, MP2 calls $1, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $6, UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $5, SB folds.

Flop: ($15) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $10, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: $25

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins $25. 

Again, AQ raise to 6 dollars is a bit much I think… but I like the play after the flop. Even better would have been a pot sized bet.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed)

Button ($174.05)
Hero ($49)
BB ($50)
UTG ($23.15)
MP ($77.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, MP calls $1, Button folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($3) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $3, BB calls $3, MP calls $3.

Turn: ($12) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $5, BB folds, MP calls $5.

River: ($22) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $5, MP folds.

Final Pot: $27

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Kh 9d (two pair, jacks and nines).
Outcome: Hero wins $27. 

too weak on river. In the long run I think your missing value, as 1. its not much of a bluff looking bet and 2. your losing out on money if he has a callable hand.

1800GAMBLER

03-13-2004, 05:53 PM

I'd fold 77. If you only play if for a set it's impossible to be profitable.

Muck or call AJ UTG depending how weak the game is.

I'd raise the ATs there too.

I limp TT UTG, i limp JJ UTG too.

Well played with A2s.

Raise AQs the same amount you'd raise any other hand.

I wouldn't bet the river with K9 you'll be beaten when called more than 50% of the time.

GrinningBuddha

03-13-2004, 05:53 PM

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Hero ($49)
UTG+1 ($8.20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $2, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero folds, BB folds.

A wise man told me that if its 5 percent of your stack or less to call, easy call, and if its 10 percent of your stack or less, then fold. But easy call here regardless because its only 2 x BB for you.

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You misunderstood the wise man. You want to call only if it's less than 5% of the smaller of your or the raiser's stack. turnip can get paid at best 4-1 here if he manages to get UTG+1 all-in. Good fold.

[/ QUOTE ]Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero folds, UTG+1 calls $1, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $1, MP3 calls $1, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, SB folds, BB checks.
BB shows Ks 5d (one pair, queens).
MP2 shows 8d Jh (two pair, queens and jacks).
Outcome: MP2 wins $28.50.

Hmm I think too much attention is paid to position here preflop. I always play JA, and come in for raises with it almost everytime also. But at the very least play it for a limp, it can be profitable at these tables

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AJo UTG is a recipe for disaster. You're out of position and you're raise-bait to anyone in late position who cares to isolate you. Ugh. Good fold.

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SB ($231.24)
BB ($24)
UTG ($48)
UTG+1 ($38.75)
MP1 ($49.15)
Hero ($58.65)
CO ($53.70)
Button ($113.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $3, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls $2.50, BB folds.

No showdown. Hero wins $11. 

I wouldn’t raise on AT, even suited. There wernt really any limpers to consider here either.

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If he's going to play it, he's going to raise it first in. ATs one off the cutoff is an easy raise, IMO. I approve of how it was played. I would consider isolating a weak limper with it as well.

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CO ($227.24)
Button ($47)
SB ($38.75)
BB ($68.30)
Hero ($62.30)
UTG+1 ($49)
MP1 ($37.70)
MP2 ($112.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero raises to $4, UTG+1 calls $4, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls $4, Button folds, SB raises to $15, BB folds, Hero folds, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $11.
CO shows 8h 4h (two pair, nines and fours).
SB shows Ah Ks (one pair, nines).
Outcome: CO wins $86.50.

I don’t like raising 1010 either. I would play it for a set the whole way unless under cards flopped.

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Here I would play to the table. If it's loose passive, I'll limp for set value. If it's tight passive, I'll raise to keep it short-handed. Given the CO's penchant for calling anything with suited cards, I'd probably limp here.

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UTG ($48.07)
MP1 ($50.45)
MP2 ($138.18)
Hero ($48.50)
Button ($14)
SB ($45.85)
BB ($77.80)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $1, MP1 calls $1, MP2 folds, Hero calls $1, Button calls $1, SB completes, BB checks.
Hero shows Ad 2d (two pair, aces and eights).
Button shows 7h Th (two pair, tens and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins $32

A2 is pretty garbage, so calling is pretty questionable

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Suited ace in position after two limpers? Unless I'm fearing a raise behind me, I'm calling here almost every time. Well played post-flop too.

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Button ($174.05)
Hero ($49)
BB ($50)
UTG ($23.15)
MP ($77.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, MP calls $1, Button folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Hero shows Kh 9d (two pair, jacks and nines).
Outcome: Hero wins $27

too weak on river. In the long run I think your missing value, as 1. its not much of a bluff looking bet and 2. your losing out on money if he has a callable hand.

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I'm thinking the turn bet could be a little stronger as the straight draw is getting good odds to call. Betting on the river is fine, perhaps $10 if you're going to bet. Checking to try and induce a bluff from the missed draw is good too. Not many hands that you beat are going to call you on the river, which would make my preferred play the latter.

Hope you don't mind me throwing in my $0.02 cornell and turnip.

cornell2005

03-13-2004, 06:17 PM

ah yes, i see your points. thanks for it, i think i learned more than turnip will from these hands

(misread stack size on hand 1 and hand card on last hand. would edit those out but its too late)

cornell2005

03-13-2004, 07:32 PM

actually, dont get one thing. why do you play A2s so often from that position?
and what if its one limper and your one or two from the cutoff?
then, if its 2, 3 or 4 handed, what do you do if an ace falls on the flop and your in the middle in terms of position? i almsot always try to check all the way through, but if your playing this, does it imply you are goign to be more aggressive with it if you semi-hit like this?
Thanks

GrinningBuddha

03-13-2004, 08:22 PM

I like nut hands, and suited aces can make them. Granted, the 2 kicker won't get you too far, but if you have some discipline, these hands will be money-makers.

After one limper, it's a toss up. If I can bank on the blinds and the button coming along without a raise, I'd play it. The further from the button I am, the less likely I am to play it unless the game conditions warrant it.

Let's be clear: you don't want to flop an Ace and bet it like it's the nuts. You're looking for two pair, trips (preferably with the 2), or a flush draw that you can work with. If the game is such that you won't be able to see the turn with a flush draw, don't play it.

If you do flop an Ace, there's only two other Aces out there, so there's every chance you're ahead here. Proceed with all due caution while you bet. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

There was a good thread about playing small Aces on this forum (I think) a month or two ago, but I'm not sure which one it was, perhaps someone with a better memory could point you to it.

turnipmonster

03-13-2004, 10:40 PM

hey cornell,
this is a stupid question, but are these definitely my hands? I don't remember most of these, and I can't remember playing the $50 buyin tables recently, I usually play the 100s. also, not sure if I mailed my hand histories. I just mailed prairieboy, redmen and jay. so I think this might be someone else.

whether or not this is me aside, calling with any suited ace after limpers is something I do all the time. suited aces are strong hands in position in NL, there was a thread on this recently, check it out.

--turnipmonster

turnipmonster

03-13-2004, 10:46 PM

although I think there was some confusion and this is not me (although it could be), I agree with all your points. I always fold AJo UTG, and I certainly won't raise with it, which only folds hands weaker than mine (like A rag) and encourages stronger hands like AK to call and trap. I play extremely tight UTG, and save my loose speculative calls for when I am in position, because I suck at playing out of position.

turnipmonster

03-13-2004, 10:54 PM

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actually, dont get one thing. why do you play A2s so often from that position?

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the general idea is that if you're going to play drawing hands, you want to be in position. this is advantageous for two reasons
1) you are more sure it will be cheap to get in preflop
2) you can choose to take free cards or bet your draw in position

so generally with suited aces you like to be limping in after a few limpers. generally you can't take any action if you hit an A, you are playing for the flush draw only. once in a while you will hit two pair or trip 2's or some nonsense though, and that's always nice.

what you want to think of is what limon calls the "to the felt" equity of the hand. that is, how are you going to feel getting all your chips in with this hand? with A2s, most of the time you are going to feel pretty good since you are playing for the flush only (pretty much).

contrast this to a hand like AJo. the only board you like is the nut straight, and even then your opponent may be freerolling on you with the same hand plus a flush draw. so you never really feel all that great with all your chips in the middle with AJo, which is why you fold it UTG /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

cornell2005

03-13-2004, 11:00 PM

well crap, these are prarieboy's hands. probably why you didnt recognize them huh

goodguy_1

03-22-2004, 05:16 PM

Buddha nice clear cogent analysis!